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MYSELF. SEE IF GLP ONE ARE
RIGHT FOR YOU. START TODAY AT

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RIGHT FOR YOU. START TODAY AT
FOUR. COM.

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FOUR. COM.
>> WANT TO GET RIGHT TO SOME

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>> WANT TO GET RIGHT TO SOME
BREAKING LEGAL NEWS? A PARDONED

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BREAKING LEGAL NEWS? A PARDONED
JANUARY 6TH RIOTER HAS BEEN

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JANUARY 6TH RIOTER HAS BEEN
ARRESTED FOR ALLEGEDLY TRYING

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ARRESTED FOR ALLEGEDLY TRYING
TO THREATENING TO KILL HOUSE

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TO THREATENING TO KILL HOUSE
MINORITY LEADER HAKEEM JEFFRIES.

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MINORITY LEADER HAKEEM JEFFRIES.
CHRISTOPHER MOYNIHAN HAS BEEN

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CHRISTOPHER MOYNIHAN HAS BEEN
CHARGED WITH MAKING A

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CHARGED WITH MAKING A
TERRORISTIC THREAT AGAINST THE

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TERRORISTIC THREAT AGAINST THE
DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSMAN. HE WAS

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DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSMAN. HE WAS
ONE OF OVER 1500 CAPITOL RIOTER

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ONE OF OVER 1500 CAPITOL RIOTER
DEFENDANTS WHO WERE PARDONED BY

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DEFENDANTS WHO WERE PARDONED BY
PRESIDENT TRUMP ON TRUMP’S

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PRESIDENT TRUMP ON TRUMP’S
FIRST DAY BACK IN OFFICE. I

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FIRST DAY BACK IN OFFICE. I
WANT TO BRING IN MSNBC LEGAL

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WANT TO BRING IN MSNBC LEGAL
CORRESPONDENT LISA RUBIN HERE,

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CORRESPONDENT LISA RUBIN HERE,
AS WELL AS FORMER FEDERAL

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AS WELL AS FORMER FEDERAL
PROSECUTOR. LISA, FIRST TO YOU,

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PROSECUTOR. LISA, FIRST TO YOU,
WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT THESE

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WHAT DO WE KNOW ABOUT THESE
THREAT ALLEGATIONS AND THIS

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THREAT ALLEGATIONS AND THIS
DEFENDANT?

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DEFENDANT?
>> SO, ALI, AS YOU MENTIONED,

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>> SO, ALI, AS YOU MENTIONED,
CHRISTOPHER MOYNIHAN WAS

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CHRISTOPHER MOYNIHAN WAS
ARRESTED OVER THE WEEKEND FOR

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ARRESTED OVER THE WEEKEND FOR
ALLEGEDLY MAKING TERRORISTIC

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ALLEGEDLY MAKING TERRORISTIC
THREATS TO HAKEEM JEFFRIES, WHO

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THREATS TO HAKEEM JEFFRIES, WHO
HE UNDERSTOOD WOULD BE MAKING A

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HE UNDERSTOOD WOULD BE MAKING A
SPEECH ON MONDAY AT AN ECONOMIC

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SPEECH ON MONDAY AT AN ECONOMIC
CLUB IN NEW YORK CITY. THE

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CLUB IN NEW YORK CITY. THE
THREAT THAT HE MADE WAS

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THREAT THAT HE MADE WAS
ESSENTIALLY AND I WANT TO READ

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ESSENTIALLY AND I WANT TO READ
TO YOU FROM THE PRESS RELEASE,

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TO YOU FROM THE PRESS RELEASE,
WAS THAT HE SAID THAT HE THAT

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WAS THAT HE SAID THAT HE THAT
BASICALLY HAKEEM JEFFRIES

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BASICALLY HAKEEM JEFFRIES
NEEDED TO BE KILLED. THE THING

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NEEDED TO BE KILLED. THE THING
THAT I THAT STANDS OUT TO ME,

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THAT I THAT STANDS OUT TO ME,
AND I’M CURIOUS WHAT ANKUSH

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AND I’M CURIOUS WHAT ANKUSH
THINKS ABOUT THIS, IS THAT

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THINKS ABOUT THIS, IS THAT
WHILE THERE WAS A JOINT

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WHILE THERE WAS A JOINT
INVESTIGATION BETWEEN THE FBI

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INVESTIGATION BETWEEN THE FBI
AND THE JOINT TERRORISM TASK

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AND THE JOINT TERRORISM TASK
FORCE, THE ARREST WAS MADE BY

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FORCE, THE ARREST WAS MADE BY
NEW YORK STATE AUTHORITIES, AND

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NEW YORK STATE AUTHORITIES, AND
HE IS EXPECTED IN A COURT IN

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HE IS EXPECTED IN A COURT IN
NEW YORK STATE COURT ON

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NEW YORK STATE COURT ON
THURSDAY TO FACE HIS FIRST

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THURSDAY TO FACE HIS FIRST
APPEARANCE AND AGAIN, A CLASS D

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APPEARANCE AND AGAIN, A CLASS D
FELONY IN NEW YORK STATE IS NOT

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FELONY IN NEW YORK STATE IS NOT
ONE FOR WHICH WE EXPECT THE

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ONE FOR WHICH WE EXPECT THE
HIGHEST PENALTIES. THAT IS A

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HIGHEST PENALTIES. THAT IS A
CLASS A FELONY. SO IF YOU’RE

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CLASS A FELONY. SO IF YOU’RE
THINKING ABOUT MOVING DOWN THE

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THINKING ABOUT MOVING DOWN THE
LINE IN TERMS OF WHAT THE

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LINE IN TERMS OF WHAT THE
PUNISHMENT FOR THIS IS, AGAIN,

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PUNISHMENT FOR THIS IS, AGAIN,
THAT HAS ME SCRATCHING MY HEAD

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THAT HAS ME SCRATCHING MY HEAD
BECAUSE MAKING THREATS AGAINST

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BECAUSE MAKING THREATS AGAINST
A FEDERAL ELECTED OFFICIAL IS

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A FEDERAL ELECTED OFFICIAL IS
CERTAINLY SOMETHING WHERE THE

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CERTAINLY SOMETHING WHERE THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS AN

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FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS AN
INTEREST, AND MANY PEOPLE HAVE

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INTEREST, AND MANY PEOPLE HAVE
BEEN ARRESTED AND INDICTED FOR

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BEEN ARRESTED AND INDICTED FOR
SIMILAR THREATS AGAINST MEMBERS

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SIMILAR THREATS AGAINST MEMBERS
OF CONGRESS, PARTICULARLY

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OF CONGRESS, PARTICULARLY
WITHIN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

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WITHIN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
ALI.

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ALI.
>> SO NOW I’M INTERESTED IN

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>> SO NOW I’M INTERESTED IN
WHAT YOUR TAKE IS ON WHAT LISA

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WHAT YOUR TAKE IS ON WHAT LISA
SAID.

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SAID.
>> WELL, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY

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>> WELL, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY
WE’RE JUST LEARNING ALL THIS IN

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WE’RE JUST LEARNING ALL THIS IN
REAL TIME. BUT LISA’S RIGHT TO

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REAL TIME. BUT LISA’S RIGHT TO
QUESTION THIS. YOU WOULD EXPECT

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QUESTION THIS. YOU WOULD EXPECT
IN A CASE WHERE YOU HAVE

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IN A CASE WHERE YOU HAVE
SOMEONE WHO’S BEING CHARGED

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SOMEONE WHO’S BEING CHARGED
WITH THREATENING A FEDERAL

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WITH THREATENING A FEDERAL
OFFICIAL, THAT THE FEDERAL

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OFFICIAL, THAT THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT WOULD BE DOING THE

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GOVERNMENT WOULD BE DOING THE
PROSECUTING AND THAT THE

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PROSECUTING AND THAT THE
JUSTICE DEPARTMENT WOULD DO IT.

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JUSTICE DEPARTMENT WOULD DO IT.
THE QUESTION THAT EMERGES, AND

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THE QUESTION THAT EMERGES, AND
HOPEFULLY THIS WILL GET SORTED

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HOPEFULLY THIS WILL GET SORTED
OUT THROUGH REPORTING IN IN THE

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OUT THROUGH REPORTING IN IN THE
NEAR TERM, IS WHETHER THE

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NEAR TERM, IS WHETHER THE
JUSTICE DEPARTMENT SORT OF

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JUSTICE DEPARTMENT SORT OF
STOOD BACK HERE AND POTENTIALLY

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STOOD BACK HERE AND POTENTIALLY
DECLINED THE CASE OR TO PURSUE

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DECLINED THE CASE OR TO PURSUE
IT FURTHER. YOU KNOW, THE

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IT FURTHER. YOU KNOW, THE
CONTEXT HERE IS UNAVOIDABLE. I

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CONTEXT HERE IS UNAVOIDABLE. I
MEAN, TRUMP ISSUED THIS MASS

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MEAN, TRUMP ISSUED THIS MASS
PARDON AND THE MESSAGE IS MANY,

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PARDON AND THE MESSAGE IS MANY,
MANY PEOPLE SAID AT THE TIME

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MANY PEOPLE SAID AT THE TIME
WAS THAT POLITICAL VIOLENCE WAS

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WAS THAT POLITICAL VIOLENCE WAS
OKAY AS LONG AS YOU WERE ON THE

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OKAY AS LONG AS YOU WERE ON THE
PRESIDENT’S TEAM. SO I HATE TO

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PRESIDENT’S TEAM. SO I HATE TO
SAY IT, BUT IT IS NOT

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SAY IT, BUT IT IS NOT
SURPRISING THAT WE WOULD SEE

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SURPRISING THAT WE WOULD SEE
SOMEONE FROM THAT GROUP OF

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SOMEONE FROM THAT GROUP OF
PEOPLE ENGAGE IN CONDUCT LIKE

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PEOPLE ENGAGE IN CONDUCT LIKE
THIS. THE PROSPECT OF

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THIS. THE PROSPECT OF
RECIDIVISM ON THE PART OF THE

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RECIDIVISM ON THE PART OF THE
PARDONED FOLKS, PARTICULARLY

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PARDONED FOLKS, PARTICULARLY
THE HUNDREDS ACCUSED AND IN

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THE HUNDREDS ACCUSED AND IN
MANY CASES, CONVICTED OF

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MANY CASES, CONVICTED OF
VIOLENT CONDUCT. THE PROSPECT

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VIOLENT CONDUCT. THE PROSPECT
OF RECIDIVISM FOR THOSE PEOPLE

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OF RECIDIVISM FOR THOSE PEOPLE
WAS ALWAYS QUITE HIGH. AND

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WAS ALWAYS QUITE HIGH. AND
RECIDIVISM IN THIS PARTICULAR

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RECIDIVISM IN THIS PARTICULAR
WAY, THREATENING POLITICAL

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WAY, THREATENING POLITICAL
VIOLENCE. AS LONG AS YOU’RE ON