WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:05.662 AVOID A SHUTDOWN AT THE END OF THE MONTH. WELCOME TO MEET THE 00:00:05.673 --> 00:00:07.698 THE MONTH. WELCOME TO MEET THE PRESS. NOW, I AM KRISTEN WELKER 00:00:07.709 --> 00:00:09.475 PRESS. NOW, I AM KRISTEN WELKER IN PHILADELPHIA. RIGHT NOW, 00:00:09.510 --> 00:00:10.633 IN PHILADELPHIA. RIGHT NOW, AMERICAN LEADERS, BOTH 00:00:10.644 --> 00:00:12.378 AMERICAN LEADERS, BOTH POLITICAL AND CULTURAL, ARE 00:00:12.413 --> 00:00:14.571 POLITICAL AND CULTURAL, ARE NAVIGATING A COMPLICATED AND 00:00:14.582 --> 00:00:15.682 NAVIGATING A COMPLICATED AND FRAUGHT MOMENT FOLLOWING 00:00:15.716 --> 00:00:17.817 FRAUGHT MOMENT FOLLOWING CHARLIE KIRK’S ASSASSINATION AS 00:00:17.818 --> 00:00:19.218 CHARLIE KIRK’S ASSASSINATION AS PRESIDENT TRUMP BLAMES HIS 00:00:19.220 --> 00:00:22.345 PRESIDENT TRUMP BLAMES HIS RIVALS FOR THE TRAGEDY AND HIS 00:00:22.356 --> 00:00:23.547 RIVALS FOR THE TRAGEDY AND HIS ADMINISTRATION TESTS HOW FAR IT 00:00:23.558 --> 00:00:26.794 ADMINISTRATION TESTS HOW FAR IT CAN GO TO CRACK DOWN ON DISSENT. 00:00:26.828 --> 00:00:27.518 CAN GO TO CRACK DOWN ON DISSENT. IT’S FORCING REPUBLICANS TO 00:00:27.529 --> 00:00:29.586 IT’S FORCING REPUBLICANS TO GRAPPLE WITH HOW FAR THEY’RE 00:00:29.597 --> 00:00:30.521 GRAPPLE WITH HOW FAR THEY’RE WILLING TO GO TO SUPPORT FREE 00:00:30.532 --> 00:00:32.422 WILLING TO GO TO SUPPORT FREE SPEECH, AND DEMOCRATS TO 00:00:32.433 --> 00:00:33.400 SPEECH, AND DEMOCRATS TO GRAPPLE WITH HOW FAR THEY’RE 00:00:33.434 --> 00:00:35.535 GRAPPLE WITH HOW FAR THEY’RE WILLING TO GO TO RESPOND. IT 00:00:35.536 --> 00:00:37.594 WILLING TO GO TO RESPOND. IT COMES AS THE BACKLASH GROWS 00:00:37.605 --> 00:00:39.363 COMES AS THE BACKLASH GROWS FOLLOWING ABC’S SUSPENSION OF 00:00:39.374 --> 00:00:41.432 FOLLOWING ABC’S SUSPENSION OF LATE NIGHT HOST JIMMY KIMMEL 00:00:41.443 --> 00:00:42.742 LATE NIGHT HOST JIMMY KIMMEL OVER COMMENTS ACCUSING 00:00:42.744 --> 00:00:44.435 OVER COMMENTS ACCUSING REPUBLICANS OF PLAYING POLITICS 00:00:44.446 --> 00:00:45.869 REPUBLICANS OF PLAYING POLITICS WITH CHARLIE KIRK’S 00:00:45.880 --> 00:00:47.214 WITH CHARLIE KIRK’S ASSASSINATION, KIMMEL 00:00:47.248 --> 00:00:49.406 ASSASSINATION, KIMMEL SUPPORTERS SAYING ABC’S PARENT 00:00:49.417 --> 00:00:50.641 SUPPORTERS SAYING ABC’S PARENT COMPANY CAVED TO POLITICAL 00:00:50.652 --> 00:00:52.386 COMPANY CAVED TO POLITICAL PRESSURE FROM THE FCC CHIEF 00:00:52.387 --> 00:00:54.488 PRESSURE FROM THE FCC CHIEF BRENDAN CARR, WHO HAD 00:00:54.489 --> 00:00:56.080 BRENDAN CARR, WHO HAD THREATENED TO REVOKE AFFILIATES 00:00:56.091 --> 00:00:58.391 THREATENED TO REVOKE AFFILIATES LICENSES OVER KIMMEL’S REMARKS. 00:00:58.393 --> 00:00:59.727 LICENSES OVER KIMMEL’S REMARKS. PRESIDENT TRUMP THEN THREATENED 00:00:59.761 --> 00:01:01.285 PRESIDENT TRUMP THEN THREATENED FURTHER ACTION, SUGGESTING HE’D 00:01:01.296 --> 00:01:03.530 FURTHER ACTION, SUGGESTING HE’D PUNISH TV NETWORKS THAT AIR 00:01:03.565 --> 00:01:05.666 PUNISH TV NETWORKS THAT AIR UNFAVORABLE COVERAGE OF HIM. 00:01:05.667 --> 00:01:06.824 UNFAVORABLE COVERAGE OF HIM. >> LISTEN WELL. 00:01:06.835 --> 00:01:08.635 >> LISTEN WELL. >> YOU KNOW, WHEN A LATE NIGHT 00:01:08.670 --> 00:01:11.772 >> YOU KNOW, WHEN A LATE NIGHT HOST IS ON NETWORK TELEVISION, 00:01:11.773 --> 00:01:13.230 HOST IS ON NETWORK TELEVISION, THERE IS A LICENSING. I’LL GIVE 00:01:13.241 --> 00:01:14.442 THERE IS A LICENSING. I’LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. I READ 00:01:14.476 --> 00:01:17.168 YOU AN EXAMPLE. I READ SOMEPLACE THAT THE NETWORKS 00:01:17.179 --> 00:01:20.437 SOMEPLACE THAT THE NETWORKS WERE 97% AGAINST ME. I GOT 97% 00:01:20.448 --> 00:01:22.373 WERE 97% AGAINST ME. I GOT 97% NEGATIVE. AND YET I WON AN 00:01:22.384 --> 00:01:24.318 NEGATIVE. AND YET I WON AN EASILY WON ALL SEVEN SWING 00:01:24.319 --> 00:01:27.655 EASILY WON ALL SEVEN SWING STATES WON EVERYTHING. AND IF 00:01:27.689 --> 00:01:30.748 STATES WON EVERYTHING. AND IF THEY’RE 97% AGAINST, THEY GIVE 00:01:30.759 --> 00:01:34.394 THEY’RE 97% AGAINST, THEY GIVE ME ONLY BAD PUBLICITY OR PRESS. 00:01:34.396 --> 00:01:36.187 ME ONLY BAD PUBLICITY OR PRESS. I MEAN, THEY’RE GETTING A 00:01:36.198 --> 00:01:38.599 I MEAN, THEY’RE GETTING A LICENSE. I WOULD. THINK MAYBE 00:01:38.600 --> 00:01:40.291 LICENSE. I WOULD. THINK MAYBE THEIR LICENSE SHOULD BE TAKEN 00:01:40.302 --> 00:01:42.770 THEIR LICENSE SHOULD BE TAKEN AWAY. IT WOULD BE UP TO BRENDAN 00:01:42.804 --> 00:01:43.427 AWAY. IT WOULD BE UP TO BRENDAN CARR. 00:01:43.438 --> 00:01:46.297 CARR. >> NOW, EARLIER EARLIER TODAY, 00:01:46.308 --> 00:01:47.475 >> NOW, EARLIER EARLIER TODAY, I SPOKE EXCLUSIVELY WITH 00:01:47.509 --> 00:01:48.609 I SPOKE EXCLUSIVELY WITH PENNSYLVANIA’S DEMOCRATIC 00:01:48.610 --> 00:01:50.811 PENNSYLVANIA’S DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR, JOSH SHAPIRO, WHO WAS 00:01:50.812 --> 00:01:52.603 GOVERNOR, JOSH SHAPIRO, WHO WAS HIMSELF A VICTIM OF POLITICAL 00:01:52.614 --> 00:01:54.338 HIMSELF A VICTIM OF POLITICAL VIOLENCE EARLIER THIS YEAR WHEN 00:01:54.349 --> 00:01:56.417 VIOLENCE EARLIER THIS YEAR WHEN AN ARSONIST FIREBOMBED HIS 00:01:56.418 --> 00:01:58.552 AN ARSONIST FIREBOMBED HIS RESIDENCE WITH HIS FAMILY 00:01:58.553 --> 00:02:01.855 RESIDENCE WITH HIS FAMILY INSIDE. HERE IS A FIRST LOOK AT 00:02:01.857 --> 00:02:04.292 INSIDE. HERE IS A FIRST LOOK AT PART OF OUR CONVERSATION. FREE 00:02:04.326 --> 00:02:06.918 PART OF OUR CONVERSATION. FREE SPEECH AND SPEECH HAS BEEN IN 00:02:06.929 --> 00:02:08.787 SPEECH AND SPEECH HAS BEEN IN THE SPOTLIGHT THIS WEEK AFTER 00:02:08.798 --> 00:02:13.901 THE SPOTLIGHT THIS WEEK AFTER THE NEWS THAT ABC PULLED JIMMY 00:02:13.936 --> 00:02:15.937 THE NEWS THAT ABC PULLED JIMMY KIMMEL, COMEDIAN, OFF THE AIR 00:02:15.938 --> 00:02:19.764 KIMMEL, COMEDIAN, OFF THE AIR AFTER COMMENTS THAT HE MADE ON 00:02:19.775 --> 00:02:20.609 AFTER COMMENTS THAT HE MADE ON HIS LATE NIGHT SHOW, WHAT WAS 00:02:20.642 --> 00:02:22.366 HIS LATE NIGHT SHOW, WHAT WAS YOUR REACTION TO LEARNING THAT 00:02:22.377 --> 00:02:24.445 YOUR REACTION TO LEARNING THAT HE’D BEEN PULLED OFF THE AIR? 00:02:24.446 --> 00:02:25.913 HE’D BEEN PULLED OFF THE AIR? >> FEAR. 00:02:25.948 --> 00:02:28.773 >> FEAR. >> JUST WORRY FOR OUR COUNTRY, 00:02:28.784 --> 00:02:31.486 >> JUST WORRY FOR OUR COUNTRY, OUR FOUNDATIONAL PRINCIPLE. 00:02:31.487 --> 00:02:33.645 OUR FOUNDATIONAL PRINCIPLE. >> IN THIS COUNTRY, WHICH HAS 00:02:33.656 --> 00:02:34.546 >> IN THIS COUNTRY, WHICH HAS ROOTS. 00:02:34.557 --> 00:02:35.623 ROOTS. >> IN THE. 00:02:35.658 --> 00:02:36.758 >> IN THE. >> COMMONWEALTH OF PENNSYLVANIA. 00:02:36.759 --> 00:02:38.083 >> COMMONWEALTH OF PENNSYLVANIA. >> WHEN WILLIAM PENN. 00:02:38.094 --> 00:02:38.483 >> WHEN WILLIAM PENN. >> SETTLED HERE IN. 00:02:38.494 --> 00:02:40.185 >> SETTLED HERE IN. >> THE 1680S. 00:02:40.196 --> 00:02:40.728 >> THE 1680S. >> IS IS ABOUT. FREEDOM OF 00:02:40.763 --> 00:02:41.386 >> IS IS ABOUT. FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION. 00:02:41.397 --> 00:02:43.097 EXPRESSION. >> FREEDOM OF. 00:02:43.098 --> 00:02:43.531 >> FREEDOM OF. >> SPEECH. 00:02:43.566 --> 00:02:44.322 >> SPEECH. >> AND TO. 00:02:44.333 --> 00:02:46.501 >> AND TO. >> SEE THAT BEING UNDERMINED BY 00:02:46.502 --> 00:02:47.993 >> SEE THAT BEING UNDERMINED BY THE LONG ARM OF THE. 00:02:48.004 --> 00:02:49.370 THE LONG ARM OF THE. >> FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS. 00:02:49.371 --> 00:02:50.438 >> FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS. >> EXTREMELY DANGEROUS. 00:02:50.473 --> 00:02:51.997 >> EXTREMELY DANGEROUS. >> AGAIN, WHETHER YOU AGREE. 00:02:52.008 --> 00:02:52.707 >> AGAIN, WHETHER YOU AGREE. >> WITH JIMMY KIMMEL. 00:02:52.708 --> 00:02:53.565 >> WITH JIMMY KIMMEL. >> OR NOT, WHETHER YOU. 00:02:53.576 --> 00:02:54.900 >> OR NOT, WHETHER YOU. >> FOUND HIM FUNNY. 00:02:54.911 --> 00:02:56.444 >> FOUND HIM FUNNY. >> OR NOT, TO. 00:02:56.479 --> 00:02:56.835 >> OR NOT, TO. >> FIRE SOMEONE. 00:02:56.846 --> 00:02:58.112 >> FIRE SOMEONE. >> BECAUSE. 00:02:58.114 --> 00:02:58.413 >> BECAUSE. >> HE TOLD. 00:02:58.414 --> 00:02:58.670 >> HE TOLD. >> A JOKE. 00:02:58.681 --> 00:02:59.571 >> A JOKE. >> ABOUT THE. 00:02:59.582 --> 00:03:00.682 >> ABOUT THE. >> PRESIDENT REPEATEDLY, AND 00:03:00.683 --> 00:03:01.650 >> PRESIDENT REPEATEDLY, AND THE PRESIDENT DIDN’T. 00:03:01.684 --> 00:03:03.742 THE PRESIDENT DIDN’T. >> LIKE IT TO FIRE HIM BECAUSE 00:03:03.753 --> 00:03:04.609 >> LIKE IT TO FIRE HIM BECAUSE HE WAS INARTFUL, IN HIS WORDS, 00:03:04.620 --> 00:03:06.578 HE WAS INARTFUL, IN HIS WORDS, IN THE WAKE OF THE KILLING OF 00:03:06.589 --> 00:03:07.456 IN THE WAKE OF THE KILLING OF CHARLIE KIRK. WHEN YOU HAVE 00:03:07.490 --> 00:03:07.713 CHARLIE KIRK. WHEN YOU HAVE OTHERS. 00:03:07.724 --> 00:03:09.624 OTHERS. >> IN THE MEDIA AND I MEAN, 00:03:09.625 --> 00:03:09.824 >> IN THE MEDIA AND I MEAN, THIS. 00:03:09.825 --> 00:03:10.825 THIS. >> IS NO DISRESPECT. 00:03:10.826 --> 00:03:11.716 >> IS NO DISRESPECT. >> TO HER. 00:03:11.727 --> 00:03:12.317 >> TO HER. >> IN. 00:03:12.328 --> 00:03:13.485 >> IN. >> ARTFUL EVERY DAY, RIGHT? 00:03:13.496 --> 00:03:15.330 >> ARTFUL EVERY DAY, RIGHT? THAT IS DANGEROUS WHEN WE ARE 00:03:15.331 --> 00:03:16.865 THAT IS DANGEROUS WHEN WE ARE SELECTIVELY FIRING PEOPLE 00:03:16.899 --> 00:03:18.456 SELECTIVELY FIRING PEOPLE BECAUSE OF THEIR VIEWPOINTS. 00:03:18.467 --> 00:03:19.734 BECAUSE OF THEIR VIEWPOINTS. >> I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR 00:03:19.735 --> 00:03:21.693 >> I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. DO 00:03:21.704 --> 00:03:23.572 ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. DO YOU BELIEVE THAT PRESIDENT 00:03:23.606 --> 00:03:25.297 YOU BELIEVE THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP AND THE TRUMP 00:03:25.308 --> 00:03:27.833 TRUMP AND THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS TRYING TO 00:03:27.844 --> 00:03:31.680 ADMINISTRATION IS TRYING TO STIFLE DISSENT? AND PEOPLE WHO 00:03:31.714 --> 00:03:33.939 STIFLE DISSENT? AND PEOPLE WHO WOULD DISAGREE? 00:03:33.950 --> 00:03:34.506 WOULD DISAGREE? >> PARDON ME WITHOUT QUESTION. 00:03:34.517 --> 00:03:36.408 >> PARDON ME WITHOUT QUESTION. THEY’RE TRYING TO STIFLE 00:03:36.419 --> 00:03:37.686 THEY’RE TRYING TO STIFLE DISSENT. THE PRESIDENT, IN HIS 00:03:37.720 --> 00:03:39.511 DISSENT. THE PRESIDENT, IN HIS OWN WORDS, I THINK, WAS ABOARD 00:03:39.522 --> 00:03:41.580 OWN WORDS, I THINK, WAS ABOARD AIR FORCE ONE A COUPLE NIGHTS 00:03:41.591 --> 00:03:43.515 AIR FORCE ONE A COUPLE NIGHTS AGO, MADE CLEAR HE WANTS TO 00:03:43.526 --> 00:03:45.394 AGO, MADE CLEAR HE WANTS TO LOOK AT THE LICENSES AND THE 00:03:45.428 --> 00:03:47.119 LOOK AT THE LICENSES AND THE CERTIFICATIONS FOR PARTICULAR 00:03:47.130 --> 00:03:48.530 CERTIFICATIONS FOR PARTICULAR MEDIA OUTLETS. IF ALL THEY’RE 00:03:48.531 --> 00:03:50.532 MEDIA OUTLETS. IF ALL THEY’RE DOING IS ATTACKING TRUMP. I 00:03:50.533 --> 00:03:52.657 DOING IS ATTACKING TRUMP. I MEAN, LISTEN, THE BEDROCK OF 00:03:52.668 --> 00:03:53.902 MEAN, LISTEN, THE BEDROCK OF OUR FREE SOCIETY IS THE FREEDOM 00:03:53.937 --> 00:03:55.561 OUR FREE SOCIETY IS THE FREEDOM OF SPEECH, THE FREEDOM FOR. 00:03:55.572 --> 00:03:55.937 OF SPEECH, THE FREEDOM FOR. SOMEONE LIKE YOU. 00:03:55.939 --> 00:03:56.672 SOMEONE LIKE YOU. >> TO ASK. 00:03:56.673 --> 00:03:58.507 >> TO ASK. >> ME QUESTIONS AND AND OPINE 00:03:58.541 --> 00:03:59.841 >> ME QUESTIONS AND AND OPINE ABOUT MY WORK, WHETHER I AGREE 00:03:59.843 --> 00:04:01.567 ABOUT MY WORK, WHETHER I AGREE WITH YOU OR NOT, WHETHER I LIKE 00:04:01.578 --> 00:04:03.578 WITH YOU OR NOT, WHETHER I LIKE WHAT YOU REPORT OR NOT. YOU’VE 00:04:03.580 --> 00:04:04.713 WHAT YOU REPORT OR NOT. YOU’VE GOT THE FREEDOM AND THE RIGHT 00:04:04.747 --> 00:04:06.605 GOT THE FREEDOM AND THE RIGHT TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. AND THAT 00:04:06.616 --> 00:04:08.441 TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT PROTECTS ALL 00:04:08.452 --> 00:04:10.342 IS SOMETHING THAT PROTECTS ALL OF US, ALL OF US. AND IT IS 00:04:10.353 --> 00:04:11.453 OF US, ALL OF US. AND IT IS DANGEROUS WHAT THIS PRESIDENT 00:04:11.454 --> 00:04:15.347 DANGEROUS WHAT THIS PRESIDENT IS ENGAGED IN. 00:04:15.358 --> 00:04:17.492 IS ENGAGED IN. >> NOW, YOU CAN WATCH MUCH MORE 00:04:17.494 --> 00:04:18.894 >> NOW, YOU CAN WATCH MUCH MORE OF THAT CONVERSATION THIS 00:04:18.895 --> 00:04:21.530 OF THAT CONVERSATION THIS SUNDAY ONLY ON MEET THE PRESS. 00:04:21.564 --> 00:04:23.321 SUNDAY ONLY ON MEET THE PRESS. NOW, WE SHOULD NOTE DEMOCRATS 00:04:23.332 --> 00:04:25.358 NOW, WE SHOULD NOTE DEMOCRATS HAVE ALSO HAD THEIR OWN 00:04:25.369 --> 00:04:26.535 HAVE ALSO HAD THEIR OWN INTRAPARTY DISAGREEMENTS ABOUT 00:04:26.569 --> 00:04:28.693 INTRAPARTY DISAGREEMENTS ABOUT THE LIMITS OF FREE SPEECH AND 00:04:28.704 --> 00:04:29.505 THE LIMITS OF FREE SPEECH AND CENSORSHIP, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT 00:04:29.506 --> 00:04:31.998 CENSORSHIP, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO SPEECH ON COLLEGE 00:04:32.009 --> 00:04:32.841 COMES TO SPEECH ON COLLEGE CAMPUSES. BUT THE WHITE HOUSE 00:04:32.876 --> 00:04:34.600 CAMPUSES. BUT THE WHITE HOUSE IS. ACTIONS AND THREATS ARE 00:04:34.611 --> 00:04:36.369 IS. ACTIONS AND THREATS ARE WHAT IS DRIVING THE CURRENT 00:04:36.380 --> 00:04:38.704 WHAT IS DRIVING THE CURRENT DEBATE. AND DEMOCRATS ON 00:04:38.715 --> 00:04:40.149 DEBATE. AND DEMOCRATS ON CAPITOL HILL HAVE BEEN NEAR 00:04:40.183 --> 00:04:41.240 CAPITOL HILL HAVE BEEN NEAR UNIVERSAL IN THEIR CONDEMNATION. 00:04:41.251 --> 00:04:42.709 UNIVERSAL IN THEIR CONDEMNATION. REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN MORE 00:04:42.720 --> 00:04:44.553 REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN MORE DIVIDED. TEXAS SENATOR TED CRUZ, 00:04:44.588 --> 00:04:45.478 DIVIDED. TEXAS SENATOR TED CRUZ, THE CHAIRMAN OF THE SENATE 00:04:45.489 --> 00:04:47.547 THE CHAIRMAN OF THE SENATE COMMITTEE IN CHARGE OF THE FCC, 00:04:47.558 --> 00:04:49.291 COMMITTEE IN CHARGE OF THE FCC, HAD PRETTY STRONG WORDS OF 00:04:49.292 --> 00:04:52.394 HAD PRETTY STRONG WORDS OF WARNING ON HIS PODCAST TODAY. 00:04:52.396 --> 00:04:54.597 WARNING ON HIS PODCAST TODAY. >> I THINK IT IS. 00:04:54.598 --> 00:04:57.433 >> I THINK IT IS. >> UNBELIEVABLY DANGEROUS FOR 00:04:57.434 --> 00:04:59.268 >> UNBELIEVABLY DANGEROUS FOR GOVERNMENT TO PUT ITSELF IN THE. 00:04:59.303 --> 00:04:59.659 GOVERNMENT TO PUT ITSELF IN THE. >> POSITION OF. 00:04:59.670 --> 00:05:00.493 >> POSITION OF. >> SAYING. 00:05:00.504 --> 00:05:01.637 >> SAYING. >> WE’RE GOING TO DECIDE. 00:05:01.638 --> 00:05:02.671 >> WE’RE GOING TO DECIDE. >> WHAT SPEECH WE. 00:05:02.706 --> 00:05:04.564 >> WHAT SPEECH WE. >> LIKE AND WHAT WE DON’T, AND 00:05:04.575 --> 00:05:05.374 >> LIKE AND WHAT WE DON’T, AND WE’RE GOING TO. 00:05:05.409 --> 00:05:07.000 WE’RE GOING TO. >> THREATEN TO TAKE YOU OFF. 00:05:07.011 --> 00:05:07.766 >> THREATEN TO TAKE YOU OFF. >> AIR IF. 00:05:07.777 --> 00:05:08.310 >> AIR IF. >> WE DON’T LIKE. 00:05:08.312 --> 00:05:09.412 >> WE DON’T LIKE. >> WHAT YOU’RE SAYING. 00:05:09.413 --> 00:05:10.546 >> WHAT YOU’RE SAYING. >> AND IT MIGHT. 00:05:10.547 --> 00:05:11.747 >> AND IT MIGHT. >> FEEL GOOD RIGHT NOW TO 00:05:11.748 --> 00:05:12.905 >> FEEL GOOD RIGHT NOW TO THREATEN JIMMY KIMMEL. YEAH. 00:05:12.916 --> 00:05:13.849 THREATEN JIMMY KIMMEL. YEAH. >> BUT WHEN. 00:05:13.851 --> 00:05:14.384 >> BUT WHEN. >> IT. 00:05:14.418 --> 00:05:14.717 >> IT. >> IS USED. 00:05:14.718 --> 00:05:16.042 >> IS USED. >> TO SILENCE. 00:05:16.053 --> 00:05:16.785 >> TO SILENCE. >> EVERY CONSERVATIVE IN 00:05:16.820 --> 00:05:18.311 >> EVERY CONSERVATIVE IN AMERICA, WE WILL REGRET IT. AND 00:05:18.322 --> 00:05:19.679 AMERICA, WE WILL REGRET IT. AND SO AGAIN, I LIKE BRENDAN CARR. 00:05:19.690 --> 00:05:21.590 SO AGAIN, I LIKE BRENDAN CARR. >> BUT WE SHOULD NOT. 00:05:21.625 --> 00:05:22.448 >> BUT WE SHOULD NOT. >> BE IN THIS BUSINESS. 00:05:22.459 --> 00:05:23.650 >> BE IN THIS BUSINESS. >> WE SHOULD DENOUNCE IT. IT’S 00:05:23.661 --> 00:05:24.517 >> WE SHOULD DENOUNCE IT. IT’S FINE TO. 00:05:24.528 --> 00:05:26.195 FINE TO. >> SAY WHAT. 00:05:26.230 --> 00:05:26.686 >> SAY WHAT. >> JIMMY KIMMEL SAID. 00:05:26.697 --> 00:05:28.430 >> JIMMY KIMMEL SAID. >> WAS DEPLORABLE. IT WAS. 00:05:28.432 --> 00:05:28.798 >> WAS DEPLORABLE. IT WAS. DISGRACEFUL AND. 00:05:28.832 --> 00:05:30.132 DISGRACEFUL AND. >> HE SHOULD BE. 00:05:30.134 --> 00:05:30.757 >> HE SHOULD BE. >> OFF AIR. 00:05:30.768 --> 00:05:31.734 >> OFF AIR. >> BUT WE. 00:05:31.735 --> 00:05:33.059 >> BUT WE. >> SHOULDN’T BE. 00:05:33.070 --> 00:05:33.603 >> SHOULDN’T BE. >> THREATENING GOVERNMENT. 00:05:33.637 --> 00:05:35.328 >> THREATENING GOVERNMENT. >> POWER TO FORCE HIM OFF AIR. 00:05:35.339 --> 00:05:38.131 >> POWER TO FORCE HIM OFF AIR. THAT’S A REAL MISTAKE. 00:05:38.142 --> 00:05:40.734 THAT’S A REAL MISTAKE. >> NOW, REPUBLICAN SENATOR 00:05:40.745 --> 00:05:41.601 >> NOW, REPUBLICAN SENATOR CYNTHIA LUMMIS, STRIKING A 00:05:41.612 --> 00:05:43.612 CYNTHIA LUMMIS, STRIKING A DIFFERENT TONE, TELLING SEMAFOR 00:05:43.647 --> 00:05:45.505 DIFFERENT TONE, TELLING SEMAFOR THIS QUOTE, UNDER NORMAL TIMES 00:05:45.516 --> 00:05:47.540 THIS QUOTE, UNDER NORMAL TIMES AND NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES, I 00:05:47.551 --> 00:05:48.775 AND NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES, I TEND TO THINK THAT THE FIRST 00:05:48.786 --> 00:05:50.377 TEND TO THINK THAT THE FIRST AMENDMENT SHOULD ALWAYS BE SORT 00:05:50.388 --> 00:05:51.687 AMENDMENT SHOULD ALWAYS BE SORT OF THE ULTIMATE RIGHT, AND THAT 00:05:51.689 --> 00:05:53.156 OF THE ULTIMATE RIGHT, AND THAT THERE SHOULD BE ALMOST NO 00:05:53.157 --> 00:05:54.824 THERE SHOULD BE ALMOST NO CHECKS AND BALANCES ON IT. I 00:05:54.859 --> 00:05:57.617 CHECKS AND BALANCES ON IT. I DON’T FEEL THAT WAY ANYMORE. 00:05:57.628 --> 00:05:59.362 DON’T FEEL THAT WAY ANYMORE. AND WITH THAT, I AM JOINED NOW 00:05:59.363 --> 00:06:00.563 AND WITH THAT, I AM JOINED NOW BY NBC NEWS WHITE HOUSE 00:06:00.564 --> 00:06:02.598 BY NBC NEWS WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT YAMICHE ALCINDOR, 00:06:02.600 --> 00:06:03.433 CORRESPONDENT YAMICHE ALCINDOR, NBC NEWS CAPITOL HILL 00:06:03.467 --> 00:06:05.925 NBC NEWS CAPITOL HILL CORRESPONDENT MELANIE ZANONA, 00:06:05.936 --> 00:06:07.494 CORRESPONDENT MELANIE ZANONA, AND TY COBB, WHO SERVED AS A 00:06:07.505 --> 00:06:09.439 AND TY COBB, WHO SERVED AS A WHITE HOUSE ATTORNEY DURING THE 00:06:09.473 --> 00:06:10.573 WHITE HOUSE ATTORNEY DURING THE FIRST TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. 00:06:10.574 --> 00:06:12.875 FIRST TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. HE’S ALSO A FORMER ASSISTANT 00:06:12.877 --> 00:06:14.601 HE’S ALSO A FORMER ASSISTANT U.S. ATTORNEY. THANKS TO ALL OF 00:06:14.612 --> 00:06:16.446 U.S. ATTORNEY. THANKS TO ALL OF YOU FOR STARTING US OFF, TY. 00:06:16.480 --> 00:06:17.737 YOU FOR STARTING US OFF, TY. THANKS TO YOU FOR BEING HERE. 00:06:17.748 --> 00:06:19.816 THANKS TO YOU FOR BEING HERE. I’M GOING TO GET TO YOU IN JUST 00:06:19.817 --> 00:06:21.484 I’M GOING TO GET TO YOU IN JUST A MOMENT. TY. I DO WANT TO 00:06:21.485 --> 00:06:22.752 A MOMENT. TY. I DO WANT TO START WITH YAMICHE, THOUGH, WHO 00:06:22.787 --> 00:06:25.145 START WITH YAMICHE, THOUGH, WHO IS AT THE WHITE HOUSE. YAMICHE, 00:06:25.156 --> 00:06:25.555 IS AT THE WHITE HOUSE. YAMICHE, TAKE US INSIDE THE 00:06:25.590 --> 00:06:26.547 TAKE US INSIDE THE CONVERSATIONS THAT YOU ARE 00:06:26.558 --> 00:06:28.625 CONVERSATIONS THAT YOU ARE HAVING WITH SOURCES THERE. IS 00:06:28.626 --> 00:06:30.861 HAVING WITH SOURCES THERE. IS THERE ANY CONCERN ABOUT THE 00:06:30.895 --> 00:06:32.652 THERE ANY CONCERN ABOUT THE PUSHBACK THAT YOU ARE SEEING 00:06:32.663 --> 00:06:33.487 PUSHBACK THAT YOU ARE SEEING FROM THE LIKES OF SENATOR TED 00:06:33.498 --> 00:06:35.666 FROM THE LIKES OF SENATOR TED CRUZ, FROM OTHER CONSERVATIVES 00:06:35.700 --> 00:06:37.624 CRUZ, FROM OTHER CONSERVATIVES WHO ARE NOW EXPRESSING CONCERNS 00:06:37.635 --> 00:06:38.635 WHO ARE NOW EXPRESSING CONCERNS ABOUT FREE SPEECH? 00:06:38.636 --> 00:06:40.470 ABOUT FREE SPEECH? >> AS OF NOW, IN MY 00:06:40.505 --> 00:06:41.605 >> AS OF NOW, IN MY CONVERSATIONS WITH WHITE HOUSE 00:06:41.606 --> 00:06:43.297 CONVERSATIONS WITH WHITE HOUSE OFFICIALS, I HAVE NOT SENSED 00:06:43.308 --> 00:06:44.564 OFFICIALS, I HAVE NOT SENSED THAT THEY FEEL AS THOUGH 00:06:44.575 --> 00:06:46.500 THAT THEY FEEL AS THOUGH THEY’RE GOING TO HAVE A WAVE OF 00:06:46.511 --> 00:06:47.378 THEY’RE GOING TO HAVE A WAVE OF PUSHBACK TO THESE ACTIONS BY 00:06:47.412 --> 00:06:48.535 PUSHBACK TO THESE ACTIONS BY PRESIDENT TRUMP. THEY REALLY 00:06:48.546 --> 00:06:50.614 PRESIDENT TRUMP. THEY REALLY FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE THE WIND AT 00:06:50.615 --> 00:06:52.239 FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE THE WIND AT THEIR BACKS, AND THAT THIS SAD, 00:06:52.250 --> 00:06:53.484 THEIR BACKS, AND THAT THIS SAD, SAD TRAGEDY INVOLVING CHARLIE 00:06:53.518 --> 00:06:55.576 SAD TRAGEDY INVOLVING CHARLIE KIRK HAS REALLY, IN SOME WAYS, 00:06:55.587 --> 00:06:56.443 KIRK HAS REALLY, IN SOME WAYS, EMBOLDENED THEM TO MAKE THE 00:06:56.454 --> 00:06:58.455 EMBOLDENED THEM TO MAKE THE CASE THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE IN 00:06:58.456 --> 00:06:59.713 CASE THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY THAT DON’T DESERVE 00:06:59.724 --> 00:07:01.291 THIS COUNTRY THAT DON’T DESERVE TO BE ON TELEVISION AND SHOULD, 00:07:01.326 --> 00:07:02.950 TO BE ON TELEVISION AND SHOULD, IN SOME CASES, HAVE THEIR 00:07:02.961 --> 00:07:03.693 IN SOME CASES, HAVE THEIR LICENSE TAKEN AWAY WHEN IT 00:07:03.728 --> 00:07:05.352 LICENSE TAKEN AWAY WHEN IT COMES TO DIFFERENT NETWORKS. 00:07:05.363 --> 00:07:06.463 COMES TO DIFFERENT NETWORKS. THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF WAS VERY 00:07:06.464 --> 00:07:08.498 THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF WAS VERY CLEAR, HE SAID ON AIR FORCE ONE 00:07:08.533 --> 00:07:09.556 CLEAR, HE SAID ON AIR FORCE ONE THERE. I KNOW YOU PLAYED PART 00:07:09.567 --> 00:07:11.568 THERE. I KNOW YOU PLAYED PART OF IT, HE SAYS. I ESSENTIALLY 00:07:11.569 --> 00:07:12.726 OF IT, HE SAYS. I ESSENTIALLY WON THE POPULAR VOTE, HAVE THE 00:07:12.737 --> 00:07:14.605 WON THE POPULAR VOTE, HAVE THE SUPPORT OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, 00:07:14.639 --> 00:07:15.639 SUPPORT OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, THE MAJORITY OF THE AMERICAN 00:07:15.640 --> 00:07:17.598 THE MAJORITY OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. AND AS A RESULT, HE 00:07:17.609 --> 00:07:18.408 PEOPLE. AND AS A RESULT, HE BELIEVES THAT WHEN HE SEES 00:07:18.443 --> 00:07:20.467 BELIEVES THAT WHEN HE SEES THINGS ON NETWORKS THAT ARE 00:07:20.478 --> 00:07:21.645 THINGS ON NETWORKS THAT ARE NEGATIVE ABOUT HIM, THAT ARE 00:07:21.646 --> 00:07:23.380 NEGATIVE ABOUT HIM, THAT ARE NEGATIVE ABOUT HIM, THAT THAT 00:07:23.381 --> 00:07:25.515 NEGATIVE ABOUT HIM, THAT THAT IS SOMEHOW NOT THE WILL OF THE 00:07:25.550 --> 00:07:26.750 IS SOMEHOW NOT THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE, NOT IN THE PUBLIC 00:07:26.751 --> 00:07:28.408 PEOPLE, NOT IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST. AND AS A RESULT, HE 00:07:28.419 --> 00:07:29.620 INTEREST. AND AS A RESULT, HE FEELS LIKE HE CAN GO AFTER 00:07:29.654 --> 00:07:31.678 FEELS LIKE HE CAN GO AFTER NETWORKS. HOW FAR THIS GOES IS 00:07:31.689 --> 00:07:32.589 NETWORKS. HOW FAR THIS GOES IS A BIG QUESTION HERE. YOU ALSO, 00:07:32.591 --> 00:07:34.749 A BIG QUESTION HERE. YOU ALSO, OF COURSE, MENTIONED THAT TED 00:07:34.760 --> 00:07:35.759 OF COURSE, MENTIONED THAT TED CRUZ. THERE’S ALSO SENATOR THOM 00:07:35.760 --> 00:07:37.628 CRUZ. THERE’S ALSO SENATOR THOM TILLIS OF NORTH CAROLINA, TED 00:07:37.662 --> 00:07:38.762 TILLIS OF NORTH CAROLINA, TED CRUZ, OF COURSE, BEING FROM 00:07:38.763 --> 00:07:40.787 CRUZ, OF COURSE, BEING FROM TEXAS, THEY HAVE BEEN PUSHING 00:07:40.798 --> 00:07:41.455 TEXAS, THEY HAVE BEEN PUSHING BACK, SAYING THAT THIS IS NOT 00:07:41.466 --> 00:07:43.600 BACK, SAYING THAT THIS IS NOT WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE THE TRUMP 00:07:43.602 --> 00:07:44.368 WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION DOING. BUT I 00:07:44.369 --> 00:07:46.303 ADMINISTRATION DOING. BUT I JUST DON’T KNOW HOW MUCH WEIGHT 00:07:46.304 --> 00:07:47.938 JUST DON’T KNOW HOW MUCH WEIGHT THOSE SENATORS HAVE IN A WHITE 00:07:47.973 --> 00:07:49.530 THOSE SENATORS HAVE IN A WHITE HOUSE WHERE THE PRESIDENT FEELS 00:07:49.541 --> 00:07:50.541 HOUSE WHERE THE PRESIDENT FEELS LIKE HE HAS THE POPULARITY OF 00:07:50.575 --> 00:07:52.533 LIKE HE HAS THE POPULARITY OF HIS PARTY. 00:07:52.544 --> 00:07:54.469 HIS PARTY. >> WELL, YOU KNOW, YAMICHE, 00:07:54.480 --> 00:07:56.413 >> WELL, YOU KNOW, YAMICHE, PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS SAID THAT 00:07:56.415 --> 00:07:57.649 PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS SAID THAT HE PLANS TO SPEAK AT CHARLIE 00:07:57.682 --> 00:07:59.439 HE PLANS TO SPEAK AT CHARLIE KIRK’S FUNERAL ON SUNDAY. WHAT 00:07:59.450 --> 00:08:01.476 KIRK’S FUNERAL ON SUNDAY. WHAT ARE YOU HEARING ABOUT WHAT WE 00:08:01.487 --> 00:08:02.710 ARE YOU HEARING ABOUT WHAT WE MIGHT HEAR FROM HIM, WHAT HIS 00:08:02.721 --> 00:08:05.456 MIGHT HEAR FROM HIM, WHAT HIS REMARKS MIGHT BE FOCUSED ON ON 00:08:05.490 --> 00:08:06.513 REMARKS MIGHT BE FOCUSED ON ON SUNDAY, OBVIOUSLY PAYING 00:08:06.524 --> 00:08:07.624 SUNDAY, OBVIOUSLY PAYING TRIBUTE TO CHARLIE KIRK. 00:08:07.626 --> 00:08:09.517 TRIBUTE TO CHARLIE KIRK. >> WE CERTAINLY EXPECT HIM TO 00:08:09.528 --> 00:08:11.462 >> WE CERTAINLY EXPECT HIM TO PAY TRIBUTE TO CHARLIE KIRK. 00:08:11.496 --> 00:08:13.287 PAY TRIBUTE TO CHARLIE KIRK. THE WHITE HOUSE HASN’T PUT OUT 00:08:13.298 --> 00:08:14.598 THE WHITE HOUSE HASN’T PUT OUT A CERTAIN PREVIEW OF HIS 00:08:14.600 --> 00:08:16.558 A CERTAIN PREVIEW OF HIS STATEMENTS, BUT WE CAN GATHER 00:08:16.569 --> 00:08:18.102 STATEMENTS, BUT WE CAN GATHER JUST BY WHAT THE PRESIDENT HAS 00:08:18.103 --> 00:08:19.370 JUST BY WHAT THE PRESIDENT HAS SAID IN THIS TRAGEDY AND THE 00:08:19.404 --> 00:08:20.604 SAID IN THIS TRAGEDY AND THE WAY THAT HIS ADMINISTRATION HAS 00:08:20.606 --> 00:08:22.030 WAY THAT HIS ADMINISTRATION HAS BEEN SO PERSONALLY CONNECTED TO 00:08:22.041 --> 00:08:22.573 BEEN SO PERSONALLY CONNECTED TO CHARLIE KIRK THROUGHOUT THE 00:08:22.608 --> 00:08:24.609 CHARLIE KIRK THROUGHOUT THE YEARS, THAT HE IS GOING TO BE 00:08:24.610 --> 00:08:25.810 YEARS, THAT HE IS GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT CHARLIE KIRK AS 00:08:25.811 --> 00:08:27.535 TALKING ABOUT CHARLIE KIRK AS SOMEONE WHO THEY SAW AS A HERO 00:08:27.546 --> 00:08:28.880 SOMEONE WHO THEY SAW AS A HERO OF THE CONSERVATIVE MOVEMENT. 00:08:28.914 --> 00:08:30.805 OF THE CONSERVATIVE MOVEMENT. HE HAS SAID MULTIPLE TIMES THAT 00:08:30.816 --> 00:08:32.407 HE HAS SAID MULTIPLE TIMES THAT CHARLIE KIRK IS SOMEONE THAT HE 00:08:32.418 --> 00:08:34.576 CHARLIE KIRK IS SOMEONE THAT HE CREDITS FOR HELPING HIM WIN HIS 00:08:34.587 --> 00:08:35.920 CREDITS FOR HELPING HIM WIN HIS WAY BACK TO THE WHITE HOUSE, 00:08:35.921 --> 00:08:36.711 WAY BACK TO THE WHITE HOUSE, THAT HE WAS INCREDIBLY TALENTED 00:08:36.722 --> 00:08:38.756 THAT HE WAS INCREDIBLY TALENTED IN HIS MIND, IN THE PRESIDENT’S 00:08:38.757 --> 00:08:40.248 IN HIS MIND, IN THE PRESIDENT’S MIND, WITH CONVINCING YOUNG 00:08:40.259 --> 00:08:41.416 MIND, WITH CONVINCING YOUNG CONSERVATIVES TO REALLY GET 00:08:41.427 --> 00:08:43.595 CONSERVATIVES TO REALLY GET EXCITED ABOUT ELECTIONS. AND OF 00:08:43.629 --> 00:08:44.886 EXCITED ABOUT ELECTIONS. AND OF COURSE, WE EXPECT THE SORT OF 00:08:44.897 --> 00:08:46.397 COURSE, WE EXPECT THE SORT OF PERSONAL TOUCH BECAUSE THE 00:08:46.432 --> 00:08:47.756 PERSONAL TOUCH BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT’S SON, DONALD TRUMP 00:08:47.767 --> 00:08:49.257 PRESIDENT’S SON, DONALD TRUMP JUNIOR, HAS SAID THAT FOR AT 00:08:49.268 --> 00:08:50.468 JUNIOR, HAS SAID THAT FOR AT LEAST THE LAST TEN YEARS, HE 00:08:50.469 --> 00:08:52.503 LEAST THE LAST TEN YEARS, HE SPOKE TO CHARLIE KIRK ALMOST 00:08:52.538 --> 00:08:54.362 SPOKE TO CHARLIE KIRK ALMOST EVERY SINGLE DAY. SO YOU CAN 00:08:54.373 --> 00:08:55.664 EVERY SINGLE DAY. SO YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT THE PRESIDENT HAS 00:08:55.675 --> 00:08:57.241 IMAGINE THAT THE PRESIDENT HAS SAID THAT HE SEES CHARLIE KIRK 00:08:57.243 --> 00:08:59.411 SAID THAT HE SEES CHARLIE KIRK AS A SORT OF SON TO HIM. SO YOU 00:08:59.445 --> 00:09:00.702 AS A SORT OF SON TO HIM. SO YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT THERE’S ALSO 00:09:00.713 --> 00:09:02.780 CAN IMAGINE THAT THERE’S ALSO GOING TO BE NOT JUST THE 00:09:02.782 --> 00:09:03.415 GOING TO BE NOT JUST THE POLITICS, BUT THE PERSONAL HERE. 00:09:03.449 --> 00:09:04.406 POLITICS, BUT THE PERSONAL HERE. KRISTEN. 00:09:04.417 --> 00:09:06.017 KRISTEN. >> AND YAMICHE, WE SHOULD NOTE, 00:09:06.051 --> 00:09:07.151 >> AND YAMICHE, WE SHOULD NOTE, AS WE’RE HAVING THIS 00:09:07.153 --> 00:09:07.876 AS WE’RE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION, WE ANTICIPATE 00:09:07.887 --> 00:09:10.521 CONVERSATION, WE ANTICIPATE PRESIDENT TRUMP MIGHT BE MAKING 00:09:10.556 --> 00:09:11.980 PRESIDENT TRUMP MIGHT BE MAKING SOME REMARKS, SIGNING SOME 00:09:11.991 --> 00:09:13.581 SOME REMARKS, SIGNING SOME EXECUTIVE ACTIONS IN THE OVAL 00:09:13.592 --> 00:09:14.826 EXECUTIVE ACTIONS IN THE OVAL OFFICE. SO WE WILL TAKE FOLKS 00:09:14.860 --> 00:09:16.884 OFFICE. SO WE WILL TAKE FOLKS TO THAT EVENT ONCE IT DOES 00:09:16.895 --> 00:09:19.230 TO THAT EVENT ONCE IT DOES BEGIN. BUT MELANIE, LET ME GET 00:09:19.265 --> 00:09:21.366 BEGIN. BUT MELANIE, LET ME GET TO YOU BEFORE WE GET TO TY, 00:09:21.367 --> 00:09:22.691 TO YOU BEFORE WE GET TO TY, TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE 00:09:22.702 --> 00:09:24.669 TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE DIVIDE THAT WE’RE SEEING. THE 00:09:24.670 --> 00:09:26.037 DIVIDE THAT WE’RE SEEING. THE REACTION ON CAPITOL HILL 00:09:26.072 --> 00:09:26.562 REACTION ON CAPITOL HILL AMONGST REPUBLICANS. 00:09:26.573 --> 00:09:27.772 AMONGST REPUBLICANS. >> YEAH. WELL, THERE ARE. 00:09:27.773 --> 00:09:28.830 >> YEAH. WELL, THERE ARE. >> SOME CRACKS. 00:09:28.841 --> 00:09:30.399 >> SOME CRACKS. >> IN THE GOP OVER THIS ISSUE, 00:09:30.410 --> 00:09:32.467 >> IN THE GOP OVER THIS ISSUE, AND I DO THINK IT POSES AN 00:09:32.478 --> 00:09:33.645 AND I DO THINK IT POSES AN IDENTITY TEST FOR REPUBLICANS 00:09:33.679 --> 00:09:34.936 IDENTITY TEST FOR REPUBLICANS WHO HAVE LONG PRIDED THEMSELVES 00:09:34.947 --> 00:09:35.747 WHO HAVE LONG PRIDED THEMSELVES ON BEING THE CHAMPIONS OF FREE 00:09:35.781 --> 00:09:38.206 ON BEING THE CHAMPIONS OF FREE SPEECH. NOW, REPUBLICANS, OF 00:09:38.217 --> 00:09:39.484 SPEECH. NOW, REPUBLICANS, OF COURSE, ARE LINING UP TO DEFEND 00:09:39.485 --> 00:09:40.518 COURSE, ARE LINING UP TO DEFEND THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. MOST 00:09:40.520 --> 00:09:41.854 THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. MOST OF THE REPUBLICANS THAT I 00:09:41.888 --> 00:09:43.746 OF THE REPUBLICANS THAT I TALKED TO OVER THE PAST FEW 00:09:43.757 --> 00:09:44.513 TALKED TO OVER THE PAST FEW DAYS, INCLUDING THE LEADERSHIP, 00:09:44.524 --> 00:09:46.925 DAYS, INCLUDING THE LEADERSHIP, HAVE REALLY CHALKED THIS UP AS 00:09:46.926 --> 00:09:47.492 HAVE REALLY CHALKED THIS UP AS TO JUST A PRIVATE BUSINESS 00:09:47.493 --> 00:09:49.818 TO JUST A PRIVATE BUSINESS MAKING A BUSINESS DECISION 00:09:49.829 --> 00:09:50.762 MAKING A BUSINESS DECISION BASED ON THEIR OWN STANDARDS, 00:09:50.797 --> 00:09:51.453 BASED ON THEIR OWN STANDARDS, DESPITE THE FACT, OF COURSE, 00:09:51.464 --> 00:09:53.489 DESPITE THE FACT, OF COURSE, THAT THE FCC DID PRESSURE AND 00:09:53.500 --> 00:09:54.966 THAT THE FCC DID PRESSURE AND THREATEN THE COMPANY TO MAKE 00:09:55.001 --> 00:09:56.425 THREATEN THE COMPANY TO MAKE THIS MOVE, OR IN SOME CASES, 00:09:56.436 --> 00:09:58.026 THIS MOVE, OR IN SOME CASES, REPUBLICANS HAVE TRIED TO POINT 00:09:58.037 --> 00:09:59.437 REPUBLICANS HAVE TRIED TO POINT THE FINGER AT DEMOCRATS AND 00:09:59.439 --> 00:10:00.572 THE FINGER AT DEMOCRATS AND CALL THEM HYPOCRITICAL FOR 00:10:00.607 --> 00:10:02.765 CALL THEM HYPOCRITICAL FOR PUSHING TO DEPLATFORM PRESIDENT 00:10:02.776 --> 00:10:05.210 PUSHING TO DEPLATFORM PRESIDENT TRUMP, FOR EXAMPLE, BACK AFTER 00:10:05.211 --> 00:10:06.311 TRUMP, FOR EXAMPLE, BACK AFTER THE JANUARY 6TH INSURRECTION. 00:10:06.312 --> 00:10:07.612 THE JANUARY 6TH INSURRECTION. BUT THERE HAVE BEEN SOME 00:10:07.614 --> 00:10:09.582 BUT THERE HAVE BEEN SOME NOTABLE REPUBLICANS WHO HAVE 00:10:09.616 --> 00:10:10.372 NOTABLE REPUBLICANS WHO HAVE BEEN SPEAKING OUT AND 00:10:10.383 --> 00:10:12.508 BEEN SPEAKING OUT AND EXPRESSING REAL CONCERN ABOUT 00:10:12.519 --> 00:10:13.519 EXPRESSING REAL CONCERN ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION 00:10:13.520 --> 00:10:15.311 THE GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION HERE. TED CRUZ, FOR EXAMPLE, 00:10:15.322 --> 00:10:16.688 HERE. TED CRUZ, FOR EXAMPLE, HE’S ONE OF TRUMP’S STRONGEST 00:10:16.723 --> 00:10:18.414 HE’S ONE OF TRUMP’S STRONGEST ALLIES ON CAPITOL HILL. SO IT 00:10:18.425 --> 00:10:19.648 ALLIES ON CAPITOL HILL. SO IT WAS KIND OF SURPRISING, ALMOST 00:10:19.659 --> 00:10:22.027 WAS KIND OF SURPRISING, ALMOST TO HEAR HIM ON HIS PODCAST THIS 00:10:22.028 --> 00:10:23.652 TO HEAR HIM ON HIS PODCAST THIS MORNING. SAYING THAT WHILE HE 00:10:23.663 --> 00:10:24.496 MORNING. SAYING THAT WHILE HE COMPLETELY DISAGREES WITH WHAT 00:10:24.531 --> 00:10:27.023 COMPLETELY DISAGREES WITH WHAT KIMMEL SAID, HE ALSO BELIEVES 00:10:27.034 --> 00:10:28.357 KIMMEL SAID, HE ALSO BELIEVES THAT IT’S DANGEROUS TERRITORY 00:10:28.368 --> 00:10:29.601 THAT IT’S DANGEROUS TERRITORY TO ALLOW THE GOVERNMENT TO 00:10:29.636 --> 00:10:31.260 TO ALLOW THE GOVERNMENT TO START DICTATING WHAT SHOULD BE 00:10:31.271 --> 00:10:32.537 START DICTATING WHAT SHOULD BE ON THE AIRWAVES. AND HE WARNED 00:10:32.539 --> 00:10:33.763 ON THE AIRWAVES. AND HE WARNED THAT REPUBLICANS AREN’T GOING 00:10:33.774 --> 00:10:35.707 THAT REPUBLICANS AREN’T GOING TO LIKE IT VERY MUCH WHEN THE 00:10:35.742 --> 00:10:36.632 TO LIKE IT VERY MUCH WHEN THE TABLES ARE EVENTUALLY TURNED. 00:10:36.643 --> 00:10:38.367 TABLES ARE EVENTUALLY TURNED. AND I DO THINK, KRISTEN, 00:10:38.378 --> 00:10:39.612 AND I DO THINK, KRISTEN, PRIVATELY, THAT IS A FEAR 00:10:39.646 --> 00:10:40.746 PRIVATELY, THAT IS A FEAR SHARED BY MANY OTHER 00:10:40.747 --> 00:10:43.048 SHARED BY MANY OTHER REPUBLICANS BEYOND TED CRUZ. 00:10:43.049 --> 00:10:44.640 REPUBLICANS BEYOND TED CRUZ. JUST FEW OF THEM ARE WILLING TO 00:10:44.651 --> 00:10:47.376 JUST FEW OF THEM ARE WILLING TO SAY THAT OUT LOUD RIGHT NOW. 00:10:47.387 --> 00:10:49.846 SAY THAT OUT LOUD RIGHT NOW. >> MEL, STAND BY FOR US. I WANT 00:10:49.857 --> 00:10:50.889 >> MEL, STAND BY FOR US. I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE 00:10:50.891 --> 00:10:51.624 TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY THAT THE GOVERNMENT 00:10:51.658 --> 00:10:53.549 POSSIBILITY THAT THE GOVERNMENT COULD SHUT DOWN. I WANT TO TURN 00:10:53.560 --> 00:10:55.418 COULD SHUT DOWN. I WANT TO TURN TO TY COBB, THOUGH, ON THIS 00:10:55.429 --> 00:10:57.429 TO TY COBB, THOUGH, ON THIS TOPIC. TY, I WANT TO START OFF 00:10:57.464 --> 00:10:59.722 TOPIC. TY, I WANT TO START OFF BY JUST AS SOMEONE WHO IS A 00:10:59.733 --> 00:11:01.590 BY JUST AS SOMEONE WHO IS A STUDENT OF THE LAW, SOMEONE WHO 00:11:01.601 --> 00:11:04.660 STUDENT OF THE LAW, SOMEONE WHO IS STEEPED IN THE LAW. GET YOUR 00:11:04.671 --> 00:11:06.605 IS STEEPED IN THE LAW. GET YOUR REACTION TO HEARING THAT ABC 00:11:06.606 --> 00:11:08.273 REACTION TO HEARING THAT ABC HAD INDEFINITELY SUSPENDED 00:11:08.275 --> 00:11:10.743 HAD INDEFINITELY SUSPENDED JIMMY KIMMEL. 00:11:10.777 --> 00:11:12.001 JIMMY KIMMEL. >> WELL, I THINK. 00:11:12.012 --> 00:11:12.712 >> WELL, I THINK. >> KRISTEN. 00:11:12.713 --> 00:11:14.671 >> KRISTEN. >> THAT IT’S. EVOCATIVE OF WHAT 00:11:14.682 --> 00:11:17.273 >> THAT IT’S. EVOCATIVE OF WHAT WE’VE. SEEN THROUGHOUT HISTORY. 00:11:17.284 --> 00:11:18.875 WE’VE. SEEN THROUGHOUT HISTORY. I MEAN, IN 1939, DOCTOR 00:11:18.886 --> 00:11:19.475 I MEAN, IN 1939, DOCTOR GOEBBELS, 00:11:19.486 --> 00:11:21.220 GOEBBELS, >> HITLER’S. 00:11:21.221 --> 00:11:24.180 >> HITLER’S. >> INSTRUCTION. REMOVED FIVE 00:11:24.191 --> 00:11:24.457 >> INSTRUCTION. REMOVED FIVE COMEDIANS. 00:11:24.491 --> 00:11:26.082 COMEDIANS. >> OR WITTICISMS. 00:11:26.093 --> 00:11:27.493 >> OR WITTICISMS. >> AS THEY WERE CALLED. 00:11:27.494 --> 00:11:29.852 >> AS THEY WERE CALLED. >> AT THE TIME, FROM. 00:11:29.863 --> 00:11:30.963 >> AT THE TIME, FROM. >> THE AIRWAVES. 00:11:30.998 --> 00:11:33.456 >> THE AIRWAVES. >> IN GERMANY, AND FOR 00:11:33.467 --> 00:11:36.002 >> IN GERMANY, AND FOR CRITICIZING OR MAKING FUN. 00:11:36.003 --> 00:11:36.302 CRITICIZING OR MAKING FUN. >> OF. 00:11:36.303 --> 00:11:39.972 >> OF. >> THE GOVERNMENT AND A. SATIRE 00:11:40.007 --> 00:11:43.533 >> THE GOVERNMENT AND A. SATIRE WAY. PUTIN. WHEN HE TOOK OVER 00:11:43.544 --> 00:11:44.834 WAY. PUTIN. WHEN HE TOOK OVER IN THE EARLY 2000, ONE OF THE. 00:11:44.845 --> 00:11:46.879 IN THE EARLY 2000, ONE OF THE. >> FIRST THINGS HE DID WAS. 00:11:46.914 --> 00:11:48.538 >> FIRST THINGS HE DID WAS. >> SYSTEMATICALLY VIOLENCE. 00:11:48.549 --> 00:11:50.349 >> SYSTEMATICALLY VIOLENCE. CRITICAL MEDIA OUTLETS AND 00:11:50.351 --> 00:11:52.509 CRITICAL MEDIA OUTLETS AND INDEPENDENT TV CHANNELS WERE 00:11:52.520 --> 00:11:52.742 INDEPENDENT TV CHANNELS WERE BOUGHT. 00:11:52.753 --> 00:11:53.810 BOUGHT. >> OUT OR SHUT DOWN. 00:11:53.821 --> 00:11:56.022 >> OUT OR SHUT DOWN. >> YOU KNOW, TRUMP IS WAGING. 00:11:56.023 --> 00:11:57.790 >> YOU KNOW, TRUMP IS WAGING. >> WAR ON PEOPLE WHO. 00:11:57.825 --> 00:11:58.848 >> WAR ON PEOPLE WHO. >> OFFEND HIM. 00:11:58.859 --> 00:12:00.927 >> OFFEND HIM. >> YOU KNOW. HE’S ALL ABOUT 00:12:00.928 --> 00:12:01.494 >> YOU KNOW. HE’S ALL ABOUT VENGEANCE. 00:12:01.529 --> 00:12:02.629 VENGEANCE. >> AND SADLY. 00:12:02.630 --> 00:12:03.320 >> AND SADLY. >> HIS SUBORDINATES. 00:12:03.331 --> 00:12:05.731 >> HIS SUBORDINATES. >> LIKE ONE OF THE. 00:12:05.733 --> 00:12:08.625 >> LIKE ONE OF THE. >> PROJECT 2025 AUTHORS, 00:12:08.636 --> 00:12:11.161 >> PROJECT 2025 AUTHORS, BRANDON CARR OF THE. 00:12:11.172 --> 00:12:11.604 BRANDON CARR OF THE. >> FCC. 00:12:11.639 --> 00:12:13.840 >> FCC. >> ARE FOLLOWING IN LINE. 00:12:13.841 --> 00:12:14.431 >> ARE FOLLOWING IN LINE. >> AND. 00:12:14.442 --> 00:12:16.266 >> AND. >> YOU KNOW, PERHAPS THE 00:12:16.277 --> 00:12:17.543 >> YOU KNOW, PERHAPS THE PRESIDENTIAL CRIMES COMMISSION 00:12:17.545 --> 00:12:19.679 PRESIDENTIAL CRIMES COMMISSION THAT REPRESENTATIVE. SWALWELL 00:12:19.680 --> 00:12:21.114 THAT REPRESENTATIVE. SWALWELL CALLED FOR RECENTLY. 00:12:21.148 --> 00:12:22.505 CALLED FOR RECENTLY. >> CAN CONSIDER THIS. 00:12:22.516 --> 00:12:23.616 >> CAN CONSIDER THIS. >> AT THE END OF THIS 00:12:23.651 --> 00:12:24.574 >> AT THE END OF THIS ADMINISTRATION. 00:12:24.585 --> 00:12:25.285 ADMINISTRATION. >> BUT THESE PEOPLE. 00:12:25.286 --> 00:12:27.954 >> BUT THESE PEOPLE. >> ARE, YOU KNOW, ABANDONING 00:12:27.955 --> 00:12:29.579 >> ARE, YOU KNOW, ABANDONING OUR. CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS AND 00:12:29.590 --> 00:12:31.357 OUR. CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS AND OUR CONSTITUTIONAL FREEDOMS. 00:12:31.359 --> 00:12:32.492 OUR CONSTITUTIONAL FREEDOMS. >> EVEN SENATOR. 00:12:32.493 --> 00:12:33.693 >> EVEN SENATOR. >> LOOMIS TODAY. BY SAYING SHE 00:12:33.694 --> 00:12:35.752 >> LOOMIS TODAY. BY SAYING SHE DOESN’T FEEL LIKE ENFORCING. 00:12:35.763 --> 00:12:37.454 DOESN’T FEEL LIKE ENFORCING. >> THE FIRST AMENDMENT. 00:12:37.465 --> 00:12:38.956 >> THE FIRST AMENDMENT. >> AT THIS. 00:12:38.967 --> 00:12:39.999 >> AT THIS. >> POINT, DESPITE HAVING. 00:12:40.001 --> 00:12:42.059 >> POINT, DESPITE HAVING. >> YOU KNOW, LIKED IT WHEN IT 00:12:42.070 --> 00:12:44.337 >> YOU KNOW, LIKED IT WHEN IT WHEN IT SUITED HER. THAT’S A 00:12:44.372 --> 00:12:44.628 WHEN IT SUITED HER. THAT’S A VIOLATION. 00:12:44.639 --> 00:12:45.495 VIOLATION. >> OF HER. 00:12:45.506 --> 00:12:47.607 >> OF HER. >> OATH OF OFFICE, WHERE SHE 00:12:47.608 --> 00:12:48.842 >> OATH OF OFFICE, WHERE SHE TAKES AN OATH TO PRESERVE. 00:12:48.876 --> 00:12:49.466 TAKES AN OATH TO PRESERVE. >> AND. 00:12:49.477 --> 00:12:50.534 >> AND. >> PROTECT THE CONSTITUTION. 00:12:50.545 --> 00:12:51.811 >> PROTECT THE CONSTITUTION. >> SO I THINK THIS IS REALLY 00:12:51.813 --> 00:12:53.304 >> SO I THINK THIS IS REALLY TRAGIC. AND I. 00:12:53.315 --> 00:12:54.548 TRAGIC. AND I. >> THINK, AS CARR SAID. 00:12:54.582 --> 00:12:55.605 >> THINK, AS CARR SAID. >> YESTERDAY. 00:12:55.616 --> 00:12:55.906 >> YESTERDAY. >> THERE WILL. 00:12:55.917 --> 00:12:57.408 >> THERE WILL. >> BE MORE SHOES TO DROP. 00:12:57.419 --> 00:12:58.551 >> BE MORE SHOES TO DROP. >> I THINK WE CAN COUNT. 00:12:58.586 --> 00:12:59.943 >> I THINK WE CAN COUNT. >> ON THAT. 00:12:59.954 --> 00:13:00.921 >> ON THAT. >> THIS WILL BE. 00:13:00.922 --> 00:13:02.122 >> THIS WILL BE. >> THREE AND A HALF. 00:13:02.123 --> 00:13:03.123 >> THREE AND A HALF. >> MORE YEARS. 00:13:03.124 --> 00:13:04.224 >> MORE YEARS. >> OF VENGEANCE. 00:13:04.225 --> 00:13:05.659 >> OF VENGEANCE. >> WELL, THAT’S A PRETTY DIRE 00:13:05.693 --> 00:13:07.751 >> WELL, THAT’S A PRETTY DIRE PICTURE. YOU’RE PAINTING TY. 00:13:07.762 --> 00:13:09.496 PICTURE. YOU’RE PAINTING TY. AND I GUESS MY QUESTION FOR YOU 00:13:09.497 --> 00:13:11.822 AND I GUESS MY QUESTION FOR YOU IS, DO YOU SEE ANY GUARDRAILS? 00:13:11.833 --> 00:13:14.568 IS, DO YOU SEE ANY GUARDRAILS? IS THERE ANYTHING AT THIS POINT 00:13:14.602 --> 00:13:18.605 IS THERE ANYTHING AT THIS POINT THAT COULD PREVENT THE FCC FROM 00:13:18.606 --> 00:13:20.430 THAT COULD PREVENT THE FCC FROM CRACKING DOWN ON OTHER MEDIA 00:13:20.441 --> 00:13:22.376 CRACKING DOWN ON OTHER MEDIA OUTLETS? AS YOU HEARD, 00:13:22.410 --> 00:13:23.710 OUTLETS? AS YOU HEARD, PRESIDENT TRUMP WARNED COULD 00:13:23.711 --> 00:13:25.368 PRESIDENT TRUMP WARNED COULD HAPPEN. HOW DO YOU SEE THIS? 00:13:25.379 --> 00:13:26.580 HAPPEN. HOW DO YOU SEE THIS? >> SO I THINK. 00:13:26.614 --> 00:13:27.571 >> SO I THINK. >> LET’S TAKE. 00:13:27.582 --> 00:13:28.406 >> LET’S TAKE. >> THE PRESIDENT’S STATEMENT 00:13:28.417 --> 00:13:30.450 >> THE PRESIDENT’S STATEMENT ABOUT REVOKING THE LICENSES TO 00:13:30.452 --> 00:13:31.709 ABOUT REVOKING THE LICENSES TO THE NETWORKS. THERE ARE NO 00:13:31.720 --> 00:13:32.610 THE NETWORKS. THERE ARE NO LICENSES. 00:13:32.621 --> 00:13:32.819 LICENSES. >> TO. 00:13:32.821 --> 00:13:34.021 >> TO. >> THE NETWORKS. THAT’S HOW 00:13:34.022 --> 00:13:35.022 >> THE NETWORKS. THAT’S HOW LITTLE HE KNOWS ABOUT. 00:13:35.023 --> 00:13:36.690 LITTLE HE KNOWS ABOUT. >> THE WAY THE GOVERNMENT WORKS. 00:13:36.725 --> 00:13:39.417 >> THE WAY THE GOVERNMENT WORKS. >> BUT I THINK. YOU’LL SEE THE 00:13:39.428 --> 00:13:40.627 >> BUT I THINK. YOU’LL SEE THE FCC CRACKING DOWN. I THINK 00:13:40.629 --> 00:13:41.519 FCC CRACKING DOWN. I THINK YOU’LL SEE MORE THREATS OF THE 00:13:41.530 --> 00:13:42.729 YOU’LL SEE MORE THREATS OF THE TYPE THAT THEY’VE USED 00:13:42.731 --> 00:13:44.255 TYPE THAT THEY’VE USED SUCCESSFULLY. I MEAN, PRETTY 00:13:44.266 --> 00:13:45.456 SUCCESSFULLY. I MEAN, PRETTY SOON THE ONLY COMEDIAN LEFT 00:13:45.467 --> 00:13:47.158 SOON THE ONLY COMEDIAN LEFT STANDING IS GOING TO BE 00:13:47.169 --> 00:13:48.568 STANDING IS GOING TO BE CAROLINE LEAVITT. I THINK IT’S 00:13:48.570 --> 00:13:51.238 CAROLINE LEAVITT. I THINK IT’S I THINK IT’S REALLY DIFFICULT 00:13:51.239 --> 00:13:53.931 I THINK IT’S REALLY DIFFICULT IN A COUNTRY WHERE THE FOUNDERS 00:13:53.942 --> 00:13:56.710 IN A COUNTRY WHERE THE FOUNDERS CREATED THREE BRANCHES OF 00:13:56.745 --> 00:13:59.303 CREATED THREE BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT, YOU KNOW, ALL OF 00:13:59.314 --> 00:14:00.681 GOVERNMENT, YOU KNOW, ALL OF WHOM HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO TRY 00:14:00.682 --> 00:14:02.983 WHOM HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO TRY TO PREVENT THE OTHERS, YOU KNOW, 00:14:02.984 --> 00:14:03.550 TO PREVENT THE OTHERS, YOU KNOW, FROM GETTING OUT OF BOUNDS. 00:14:03.552 --> 00:14:05.520 FROM GETTING OUT OF BOUNDS. WE’VE GOT A SITUATION NOW WHERE 00:14:05.554 --> 00:14:06.711 WE’VE GOT A SITUATION NOW WHERE CONGRESS IS NEUTERED ITSELF 00:14:06.722 --> 00:14:09.356 CONGRESS IS NEUTERED ITSELF THROUGH. ITS COWARDICE. AND THE 00:14:09.357 --> 00:14:11.925 THROUGH. ITS COWARDICE. AND THE ONLY THE ONLY BAR TO, YOU KNOW, 00:14:11.960 --> 00:14:14.361 ONLY THE ONLY BAR TO, YOU KNOW, TRUMP’S AUTHORITARIAN INSTINCTS 00:14:14.363 --> 00:14:16.487 TRUMP’S AUTHORITARIAN INSTINCTS IS THE COURTS. AND THE COURTS 00:14:16.498 --> 00:14:17.465 IS THE COURTS. AND THE COURTS ARE ALWAYS GOING TO BE A LITTLE 00:14:17.466 --> 00:14:19.667 ARE ALWAYS GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT BEHIND, BECAUSE THAT’S THE 00:14:19.668 --> 00:14:21.259 BIT BEHIND, BECAUSE THAT’S THE WAY THEY’RE STRUCTURED. AND IT 00:14:21.270 --> 00:14:23.695 WAY THEY’RE STRUCTURED. AND IT MAY NOT BE ENOUGH. 00:14:23.706 --> 00:14:25.539 MAY NOT BE ENOUGH. >> YOU KNOW, TY HAD THAT 00:14:25.574 --> 00:14:27.698 >> YOU KNOW, TY HAD THAT OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH 00:14:27.709 --> 00:14:29.467 OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH GOVERNOR SHAPIRO EARLIER TODAY, 00:14:29.478 --> 00:14:30.478 GOVERNOR SHAPIRO EARLIER TODAY, AND ONE OF THE POINTS THAT HE 00:14:30.479 --> 00:14:32.480 AND ONE OF THE POINTS THAT HE MADE WAS IN PREVIOUS COMMENTS, 00:14:32.481 --> 00:14:33.581 MADE WAS IN PREVIOUS COMMENTS, WHETHER IT BE THE VICE 00:14:33.582 --> 00:14:35.516 WHETHER IT BE THE VICE PRESIDENT OR PRESIDENT TRUMP IN 00:14:35.517 --> 00:14:36.350 PRESIDENT OR PRESIDENT TRUMP IN HIS SECOND INAUGURAL ADDRESS, 00:14:36.385 --> 00:14:38.543 HIS SECOND INAUGURAL ADDRESS, TALKED ABOUT THE NEED TO 00:14:38.554 --> 00:14:40.678 TALKED ABOUT THE NEED TO PROTECT THE FIRST AMENDMENT, 00:14:40.689 --> 00:14:43.481 PROTECT THE FIRST AMENDMENT, TALKED ABOUT THE NEED TO STOMP 00:14:43.492 --> 00:14:45.526 TALKED ABOUT THE NEED TO STOMP OUT SO-CALLED CANCEL CULTURE. 00:14:45.527 --> 00:14:47.485 OUT SO-CALLED CANCEL CULTURE. AND THIS REALLY FLIES IN THE 00:14:47.496 --> 00:14:49.630 AND THIS REALLY FLIES IN THE FACE OF THAT. YOU HAVE WORKED 00:14:49.631 --> 00:14:51.999 FACE OF THAT. YOU HAVE WORKED WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP BASED ON 00:14:52.001 --> 00:14:53.268 WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP BASED ON YOUR INTERACTIONS WITH HIM. HOW 00:14:53.302 --> 00:14:55.503 YOUR INTERACTIONS WITH HIM. HOW DO YOU THINK HE VIEWS AT THE 00:14:55.504 --> 00:14:57.161 DO YOU THINK HE VIEWS AT THE TIME THAT YOU WORKED WITH HIM, 00:14:57.172 --> 00:14:58.272 TIME THAT YOU WORKED WITH HIM, THESE PROTECTIONS? IS THERE A 00:14:58.307 --> 00:15:00.532 THESE PROTECTIONS? IS THERE A SHIFT GOING ON, OR HAS THIS 00:15:00.543 --> 00:15:02.443 SHIFT GOING ON, OR HAS THIS ALWAYS BEEN HIS PERSPECTIVE? 00:15:02.444 --> 00:15:05.036 ALWAYS BEEN HIS PERSPECTIVE? >> NO, I THINK CONSISTENCY IS 00:15:05.047 --> 00:15:07.305 >> NO, I THINK CONSISTENCY IS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT PRESIDENT 00:15:07.316 --> 00:15:10.208 IS NOT SOMETHING THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP IS KNOWN FOR. AND HE 00:15:10.219 --> 00:15:13.388 TRUMP IS KNOWN FOR. AND HE ALWAYS FAVORS WHATEVER ENRICHES 00:15:13.422 --> 00:15:16.724 ALWAYS FAVORS WHATEVER ENRICHES HIM OR FLATTERS HIM. AND IN 00:15:16.725 --> 00:15:18.516 HIM OR FLATTERS HIM. AND IN THIS CIRCUMSTANCE, HE WAS 00:15:18.527 --> 00:15:19.684 THIS CIRCUMSTANCE, HE WAS GREATLY ENRICHED. IF HE CAN 00:15:19.695 --> 00:15:22.454 GREATLY ENRICHED. IF HE CAN SILENCE HIS CRITICS BECAUSE HE 00:15:22.465 --> 00:15:24.957 SILENCE HIS CRITICS BECAUSE HE HAS, YOU KNOW, FREE REIN AT 00:15:24.968 --> 00:15:26.301 HAS, YOU KNOW, FREE REIN AT THAT STAGE OF THE GAME. SO I 00:15:26.335 --> 00:15:27.592 THAT STAGE OF THE GAME. SO I DON’T I DON’T BELIEVE THAT THIS 00:15:27.603 --> 00:15:29.671 DON’T I DON’T BELIEVE THAT THIS IS, YOU KNOW, IN ANY WAY 00:15:29.672 --> 00:15:30.505 IS, YOU KNOW, IN ANY WAY PHILOSOPHICAL. THIS IS ALL 00:15:30.539 --> 00:15:33.131 PHILOSOPHICAL. THIS IS ALL ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HIS INTEREST 00:15:33.142 --> 00:15:36.067 ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HIS INTEREST IN, IN POWER AND DOMINATION. 00:15:36.078 --> 00:15:38.537 IN, IN POWER AND DOMINATION. >> DO YOU THINK, TY, THAT THE 00:15:38.548 --> 00:15:39.437 >> DO YOU THINK, TY, THAT THE COMPANY IS ACTUALLY HEADED 00:15:39.448 --> 00:15:41.816 COMPANY IS ACTUALLY HEADED TOWARD A CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS? 00:15:41.851 --> 00:15:44.543 TOWARD A CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS? >> I THINK WE’RE THERE. I THINK. 00:15:44.554 --> 00:15:46.211 >> I THINK WE’RE THERE. I THINK. >> YOU THINK THE COUNTRY IS 00:15:46.222 --> 00:15:47.589 >> YOU THINK THE COUNTRY IS HEADED TOWARD A CONSTITUTIONAL 00:15:47.590 --> 00:15:47.923 HEADED TOWARD A CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS. SORRY. 00:15:47.957 --> 00:15:49.448 CRISIS. SORRY. >> YES, I THINK WE I THINK 00:15:49.459 --> 00:15:51.482 >> YES, I THINK WE I THINK WE’RE I THINK WE’RE ALREADY 00:15:51.493 --> 00:15:53.662 WE’RE I THINK WE’RE ALREADY THERE. 00:15:53.663 --> 00:15:56.698 THERE. >> AND WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO BE 00:15:56.699 --> 00:15:59.434 >> AND WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO BE WATCHING FOR? DO YOU HAVE ANY 00:15:59.469 --> 00:16:00.793 WATCHING FOR? DO YOU HAVE ANY OPTIMISM THAT THE COUNTRY WILL 00:16:00.804 --> 00:16:02.461 OPTIMISM THAT THE COUNTRY WILL FIND ITS WAY THROUGH THIS 00:16:02.472 --> 00:16:05.264 FIND ITS WAY THROUGH THIS MOMENT IN A WAY THAT ALLOWS IT 00:16:05.275 --> 00:16:07.442 MOMENT IN A WAY THAT ALLOWS IT TO BE STRONGER THAN BEFORE, AS 00:16:07.477 --> 00:16:09.702 TO BE STRONGER THAN BEFORE, AS QUITE FRANKLY, HISTORY HAS TOLD 00:16:09.713 --> 00:16:12.047 QUITE FRANKLY, HISTORY HAS TOLD US IT HAS DONE SO MANY TIMES IN 00:16:12.081 --> 00:16:12.480 US IT HAS DONE SO MANY TIMES IN THE PAST. 00:16:12.482 --> 00:16:13.839 THE PAST. >> I HOPE THAT’S THE CASE. 00:16:13.850 --> 00:16:14.816 >> I HOPE THAT’S THE CASE. >> I THINK. 00:16:14.817 --> 00:16:16.384 >> I THINK. >> IT WILL TAKE AT LEAST A 00:16:16.386 --> 00:16:18.320 >> IT WILL TAKE AT LEAST A GENERATION FOR THE COUNTRY TO 00:16:18.321 --> 00:16:19.955 GENERATION FOR THE COUNTRY TO REGAIN THE FREEDOMS THAT WE 00:16:19.989 --> 00:16:23.992 REGAIN THE FREEDOMS THAT WE ENJOYED NINE MONTHS AGO. 00:16:23.993 --> 00:16:26.551 ENJOYED NINE MONTHS AGO. >> A GENERATION. TY. 00:16:26.562 --> 00:16:27.896 >> A GENERATION. TY. >> YES. 00:16:27.897 --> 00:16:28.663 >> YES. >> THAT’S PRETTY STARK. 00:16:28.698 --> 00:16:30.923 >> THAT’S PRETTY STARK. >> YOU HAVE A LOT OF MAGA 00:16:30.934 --> 00:16:32.300 >> YOU HAVE A LOT OF MAGA PEOPLE IN CONGRESS. YOU HAVE A 00:16:32.302 --> 00:16:34.770 PEOPLE IN CONGRESS. YOU HAVE A LOT OF MAGA JUDGES. YOU HAVE A 00:16:34.804 --> 00:16:37.296 LOT OF MAGA JUDGES. YOU HAVE A LOT OF APPOINTEES. TRUMP IS 00:16:37.307 --> 00:16:39.431 LOT OF APPOINTEES. TRUMP IS POPULATING WHAT HE CALLS THE 00:16:39.442 --> 00:16:40.709 POPULATING WHAT HE CALLS THE DEEP STATE WITH LOYALISTS AS 00:16:40.710 --> 00:16:42.978 DEEP STATE WITH LOYALISTS AS OPPOSED TO QUALIFIED PEOPLE. 00:16:43.013 --> 00:16:45.314 OPPOSED TO QUALIFIED PEOPLE. IT’S GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME TO 00:16:45.315 --> 00:16:47.416 IT’S GOING TO TAKE SOME TIME TO ROOT THAT OUT AND, YOU KNOW, 00:16:47.417 --> 00:16:49.418 ROOT THAT OUT AND, YOU KNOW, GET BACK TO A SITUATION WHERE 00:16:49.419 --> 00:16:52.111 GET BACK TO A SITUATION WHERE WE HAD ASPIRATIONAL, VIRTUOUS, 00:16:52.122 --> 00:16:53.779 WE HAD ASPIRATIONAL, VIRTUOUS, INTELLIGENT PEOPLE IN THOSE 00:16:53.790 --> 00:16:54.991 INTELLIGENT PEOPLE IN THOSE JOBS. 00:16:55.025 --> 00:16:56.549 JOBS. >> HOW DO YOU SEE THE 00:16:56.560 --> 00:16:58.627 >> HOW DO YOU SEE THE CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS PLAYING 00:16:58.628 --> 00:17:00.562 CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS PLAYING OUT, TY? AND YOU SAY, WE’RE 00:17:00.564 --> 00:17:02.455 OUT, TY? AND YOU SAY, WE’RE ALREADY THERE. WHAT MAKES YOU 00:17:02.466 --> 00:17:03.665 ALREADY THERE. WHAT MAKES YOU FEEL CONFIDENT THAT THE 00:17:03.667 --> 00:17:05.458 FEEL CONFIDENT THAT THE COUNTRY’S ALREADY IN A 00:17:05.469 --> 00:17:06.426 COUNTRY’S ALREADY IN A CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS? 00:17:06.437 --> 00:17:08.327 CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS? >> WELL, I THINK THE, YOU KNOW, 00:17:08.338 --> 00:17:10.606 >> WELL, I THINK THE, YOU KNOW, THE THE ABDICATION OF CONGRESS 00:17:10.640 --> 00:17:13.699 THE THE ABDICATION OF CONGRESS OF ANY ROLE OR RESPONSIBILITY 00:17:13.710 --> 00:17:16.269 OF ANY ROLE OR RESPONSIBILITY IN, IN WHAT’S GOING ON IN 00:17:16.280 --> 00:17:18.237 IN, IN WHAT’S GOING ON IN AMERICA OTHER THAN TO RUBBER 00:17:18.248 --> 00:17:21.217 AMERICA OTHER THAN TO RUBBER STAMP THE PRESIDENT’S, YOU KNOW, 00:17:21.251 --> 00:17:23.452 STAMP THE PRESIDENT’S, YOU KNOW, AUTHORITARIAN EFFORTS. I THINK 00:17:23.453 --> 00:17:26.979 AUTHORITARIAN EFFORTS. I THINK THAT IS I THINK THAT IS 00:17:26.990 --> 00:17:28.825 THAT IS I THINK THAT IS DEVASTATING TO THE COUNTRY. AND 00:17:28.859 --> 00:17:30.960 DEVASTATING TO THE COUNTRY. AND CLEARLY RAISES CONSTITUTIONAL 00:17:30.961 --> 00:17:32.385 CLEARLY RAISES CONSTITUTIONAL CONCERNS THAT THE FOUNDERS 00:17:32.396 --> 00:17:33.953 CONCERNS THAT THE FOUNDERS HADN’T CONTEMPLATED. I THINK 00:17:33.964 --> 00:17:35.288 HADN’T CONTEMPLATED. I THINK THE FOUNDERS ASSUMED THAT 00:17:35.299 --> 00:17:36.556 THE FOUNDERS ASSUMED THAT PEOPLE WHO TOOK AN OATH OF 00:17:36.567 --> 00:17:38.191 PEOPLE WHO TOOK AN OATH OF OFFICE TO PRESERVE AND PROTECT 00:17:38.202 --> 00:17:39.693 OFFICE TO PRESERVE AND PROTECT THE CONSTITUTION WOULD ACTUALLY 00:17:39.704 --> 00:17:42.595 THE CONSTITUTION WOULD ACTUALLY DO SO, AS OPPOSED TO FLOUNDER 00:17:42.606 --> 00:17:44.564 DO SO, AS OPPOSED TO FLOUNDER LIKE THEY ARE NOW. 00:17:44.575 --> 00:17:47.467 LIKE THEY ARE NOW. >> YOU KNOW, TY, YOU AND I 00:17:47.478 --> 00:17:49.312 >> YOU KNOW, TY, YOU AND I TALKED A LOT DURING THE FIRST 00:17:49.313 --> 00:17:51.471 TALKED A LOT DURING THE FIRST TRUMP ADMINISTRATION WHEN YOU 00:17:51.482 --> 00:17:52.615 TRUMP ADMINISTRATION WHEN YOU SERVED THE PRESIDENT THEN, AND 00:17:52.616 --> 00:17:53.449 SERVED THE PRESIDENT THEN, AND YOU ALWAYS MADE IT VERY CLEAR 00:17:53.484 --> 00:17:55.885 YOU ALWAYS MADE IT VERY CLEAR YOU WERE SERVING THE OFFICE OF 00:17:55.886 --> 00:17:57.744 YOU WERE SERVING THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENCY. DO YOU HAVE ANY 00:17:57.755 --> 00:18:02.959 THE PRESIDENCY. DO YOU HAVE ANY REGRETS ABOUT YOUR TIME THERE? 00:18:02.993 --> 00:18:06.395 REGRETS ABOUT YOUR TIME THERE? >> NO, I DON’T HAVE ANY REGRETS 00:18:06.397 --> 00:18:08.598 >> NO, I DON’T HAVE ANY REGRETS ABOUT MY TIME THERE. YOU KNOW, 00:18:08.599 --> 00:18:10.957 ABOUT MY TIME THERE. YOU KNOW, I YOU KNOW, AS YOU KNOW, I’M 00:18:10.968 --> 00:18:13.503 I YOU KNOW, AS YOU KNOW, I’M THE OLDEST OF EIGHT KIDS FROM A 00:18:13.504 --> 00:18:15.238 THE OLDEST OF EIGHT KIDS FROM A SMALL TOWN IN KANSAS, AND MY 00:18:15.239 --> 00:18:16.873 SMALL TOWN IN KANSAS, AND MY DAD WAS A NAVAL FIGHTER PILOT. 00:18:16.907 --> 00:18:18.531 DAD WAS A NAVAL FIGHTER PILOT. AND I ALWAYS BELIEVED IF THE 00:18:18.542 --> 00:18:19.399 AND I ALWAYS BELIEVED IF THE PRESIDENT ASKED YOU TO SERVE, 00:18:19.410 --> 00:18:21.378 PRESIDENT ASKED YOU TO SERVE, YOU KNOW, YOU SERVED. I THINK 00:18:21.412 --> 00:18:22.812 YOU KNOW, YOU SERVED. I THINK BAD PRESIDENTS DESERVE MORE 00:18:22.813 --> 00:18:23.636 BAD PRESIDENTS DESERVE MORE HELP, FRANKLY, THAN GOOD 00:18:23.647 --> 00:18:25.381 HELP, FRANKLY, THAN GOOD PRESIDENTS, BECAUSE IT’S 00:18:25.416 --> 00:18:27.674 PRESIDENTS, BECAUSE IT’S DIFFICULT TO TO POPULATE THOSE 00:18:27.685 --> 00:18:30.910 DIFFICULT TO TO POPULATE THOSE OFFICES AS WE’RE NOW SEEING. 00:18:30.921 --> 00:18:33.246 OFFICES AS WE’RE NOW SEEING. BUT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS DIFFICULT. 00:18:33.257 --> 00:18:36.459 BUT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS DIFFICULT. BUT I WAS I WAS PROUD TO SERVE 00:18:36.460 --> 00:18:39.319 BUT I WAS I WAS PROUD TO SERVE AND PROUD TO SERVE MY COUNTRY. 00:18:39.330 --> 00:18:42.556 AND PROUD TO SERVE MY COUNTRY. >> TY COBB, AS ALWAYS, YOUR 00:18:42.567 --> 00:18:43.523 >> TY COBB, AS ALWAYS, YOUR PERSPECTIVE IS SO MEANINGFUL. 00:18:43.534 --> 00:18:45.468 PERSPECTIVE IS SO MEANINGFUL. AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR 00:18:45.469 --> 00:18:46.960 AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR JOINING US TODAY TO GIVE US 00:18:46.971 --> 00:18:47.504 JOINING US TODAY TO GIVE US YOUR INSIGHTS. 00:18:47.538 --> 00:18:49.362 YOUR INSIGHTS. >> THANK YOU. KRISTEN, GREAT TO 00:18:49.373 --> 00:18:51.274 >> THANK YOU. KRISTEN, GREAT TO BE WITH YOU ALWAYS. 00:18:51.275 --> 00:18:54.043 BE WITH YOU ALWAYS. >> GREAT TO HAVE YOU. TY. 00:18:54.045 --> 00:18:54.668 >> GREAT TO HAVE YOU. TY. PLEASE COME BACK SOON. MEL, LET 00:18:54.679 --> 00:18:57.681 PLEASE COME BACK SOON. MEL, LET ME GO BACK TO YOU ON CAPITOL 00:18:57.682 --> 00:19:00.617 ME GO BACK TO YOU ON CAPITOL HILL BECAUSE YOU ARE WATCHING A 00:19:00.651 --> 00:19:02.509 HILL BECAUSE YOU ARE WATCHING A CRISIS OF A VERY DIFFERENT KIND. 00:19:02.520 --> 00:19:04.922 CRISIS OF A VERY DIFFERENT KIND. THE SENATE JUST VOTED TO 00:19:04.956 --> 00:19:05.579 THE SENATE JUST VOTED TO BASICALLY BLOCK PROPOSALS FROM 00:19:05.590 --> 00:19:07.781 BASICALLY BLOCK PROPOSALS FROM BOTH PARTIES THAT WOULD KEEP 00:19:07.792 --> 00:19:10.727 BOTH PARTIES THAT WOULD KEEP THE GOVERNMENT OPEN, AS I 00:19:10.762 --> 00:19:11.485 THE GOVERNMENT OPEN, AS I UNDERSTAND IT. CORRECT ME IF 00:19:11.496 --> 00:19:14.197 UNDERSTAND IT. CORRECT ME IF I’M WRONG. THE KEY STICKING 00:19:14.198 --> 00:19:16.533 I’M WRONG. THE KEY STICKING POINTS ARE OPPOSITION TO CUTS 00:19:16.567 --> 00:19:18.625 POINTS ARE OPPOSITION TO CUTS TO MEDICARE. AND OF COURSE, 00:19:18.636 --> 00:19:20.461 TO MEDICARE. AND OF COURSE, THEY WANT SUBSIDIES TO BE 00:19:20.472 --> 00:19:23.406 THEY WANT SUBSIDIES TO BE INCLUDED FOR OBAMACARE. WHAT IS 00:19:23.408 --> 00:19:25.609 INCLUDED FOR OBAMACARE. WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN NOW? IS THE 00:19:25.610 --> 00:19:27.244 GOING TO HAPPEN NOW? IS THE GOVERNMENT GOING TO SHUT DOWN 00:19:27.278 --> 00:19:28.378 GOVERNMENT GOING TO SHUT DOWN AND DID I MISS ANYTHING? 00:19:28.379 --> 00:19:29.502 AND DID I MISS ANYTHING? >> THAT’S A GREAT QUESTION, 00:19:29.513 --> 00:19:30.704 >> THAT’S A GREAT QUESTION, KRISTEN. I’M NOT SURE THAT THE 00:19:30.715 --> 00:19:32.182 KRISTEN. I’M NOT SURE THAT THE LEADERSHIP ACTUALLY EVEN KNOWS 00:19:32.183 --> 00:19:33.350 LEADERSHIP ACTUALLY EVEN KNOWS THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. 00:19:33.384 --> 00:19:34.641 THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. THEY ARE BARRELING TOWARDS A 00:19:34.652 --> 00:19:36.620 THEY ARE BARRELING TOWARDS A SHUTDOWN WITH NO OFFRAMP IN 00:19:36.621 --> 00:19:37.678 SHUTDOWN WITH NO OFFRAMP IN SIGHT AT THE MOMENT. AND THAT’S 00:19:37.689 --> 00:19:40.257 SIGHT AT THE MOMENT. AND THAT’S REALLY FOR TWO REASONS. ONE, 00:19:40.291 --> 00:19:41.348 REALLY FOR TWO REASONS. ONE, LOGISTICS. BOTH CHAMBERS ARE 00:19:41.359 --> 00:19:43.093 LOGISTICS. BOTH CHAMBERS ARE GOING TO BE OUT OF SESSION NEXT 00:19:43.094 --> 00:19:44.618 GOING TO BE OUT OF SESSION NEXT WEEK FOR THE JEWISH HOLIDAY, 00:19:44.629 --> 00:19:45.519 WEEK FOR THE JEWISH HOLIDAY, AND THE HOUSE EVEN JUST DECIDED 00:19:45.530 --> 00:19:47.321 AND THE HOUSE EVEN JUST DECIDED THAT THEY’RE NOT GOING TO COME 00:19:47.332 --> 00:19:48.666 THAT THEY’RE NOT GOING TO COME BACK UNTIL AFTER THE GOVERNMENT 00:19:48.700 --> 00:19:49.757 BACK UNTIL AFTER THE GOVERNMENT FUNDING DEADLINE. SO IN SOME 00:19:49.768 --> 00:19:50.500 FUNDING DEADLINE. SO IN SOME WAYS, JUST CONCEDING THAT 00:19:50.502 --> 00:19:52.370 WAYS, JUST CONCEDING THAT THERE’S GOING TO BE A SHUTDOWN 00:19:52.404 --> 00:19:54.262 THERE’S GOING TO BE A SHUTDOWN OF SOME LENGTH. AND NUMBER TWO, 00:19:54.273 --> 00:19:55.806 OF SOME LENGTH. AND NUMBER TWO, POLITICS, DEMOCRATS FEEL 00:19:55.807 --> 00:19:56.473 POLITICS, DEMOCRATS FEEL COMPLETELY COMFORTABLE VOTING 00:19:56.508 --> 00:19:58.032 COMPLETELY COMFORTABLE VOTING AGAINST THESE REPUBLICAN 00:19:58.043 --> 00:19:58.775 AGAINST THESE REPUBLICAN PROPOSALS TO KEEP THE 00:19:58.810 --> 00:20:00.401 PROPOSALS TO KEEP THE GOVERNMENT OPEN. THEY WANT TO 00:20:00.412 --> 00:20:02.637 GOVERNMENT OPEN. THEY WANT TO STAND UP TO TRUMP. WHILE 00:20:02.648 --> 00:20:03.914 STAND UP TO TRUMP. WHILE REPUBLICANS FEEL CONFIDENT THAT 00:20:03.915 --> 00:20:04.681 REPUBLICANS FEEL CONFIDENT THAT DEMOCRATS ARE ULTIMATELY GOING 00:20:04.716 --> 00:20:06.740 DEMOCRATS ARE ULTIMATELY GOING TO GET THE BLAME FOR A SHUTDOWN. 00:20:06.751 --> 00:20:08.342 TO GET THE BLAME FOR A SHUTDOWN. SO THAT’S WHERE WE’RE AT. OF 00:20:08.353 --> 00:20:09.553 SO THAT’S WHERE WE’RE AT. OF COURSE, THINGS CAN CHANGE 00:20:09.554 --> 00:20:10.654 COURSE, THINGS CAN CHANGE PRETTY QUICKLY HERE ON CAPITOL 00:20:10.655 --> 00:20:12.713 PRETTY QUICKLY HERE ON CAPITOL HILL, BUT SOMETHING IS GOING TO 00:20:12.724 --> 00:20:14.758 HILL, BUT SOMETHING IS GOING TO HAVE TO CHANGE OVER THE NEXT 00:20:14.760 --> 00:20:16.094 HAVE TO CHANGE OVER THE NEXT WEEK OR SO IN ORDER TO ACTUALLY 00:20:16.128 --> 00:20:17.719 WEEK OR SO IN ORDER TO ACTUALLY AVOID A SHUTDOWN. KRISTEN. 00:20:17.730 --> 00:20:19.453 AVOID A SHUTDOWN. KRISTEN. >> ALL RIGHT. MEL ZANONA 00:20:19.464 --> 00:20:20.631 >> ALL RIGHT. MEL ZANONA COVERING A LOT OF GROUND FOR US