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MORGAN RADFORD SPOKE WITH ONE OF
THEM ABOUT WHY HE’S FOCUSING ON

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THEM ABOUT WHY HE’S FOCUSING ON
THIS ISSUE AND WHY NOW.

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THIS ISSUE AND WHY NOW.
>> WHEN THOUSANDS.

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>> WHEN THOUSANDS.
>> STORMED THE CAPITOL ON

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>> STORMED THE CAPITOL ON
JANUARY 6TH, BRIAN MOSS.

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JANUARY 6TH, BRIAN MOSS.
>> WAS THERE.

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>> WAS THERE.
>> THE VIDEO.

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>> THE VIDEO.
>> THAT.

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>> THAT.
>> APPEARS TO SHOW YOU SHOVING A

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>> APPEARS TO SHOW YOU SHOVING A
CAPITOL POLICE OFFICER, IS THAT

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CAPITOL POLICE OFFICER, IS THAT
YOU? YEAH. DID YOU SHOVE THAT

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YOU? YEAH. DID YOU SHOVE THAT
POLICE OFFICER?

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POLICE OFFICER?
>> I SHOVED A SHIELD.

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>> I SHOVED A SHIELD.
>> YES.

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>> YES.
>> DO YOU FEEL.

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>> DO YOU FEEL.
>> OR SHOW REMORSE FOR THAT DAY?

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>> OR SHOW REMORSE FOR THAT DAY?
>> FOR WHAT I DID THAT DAY?

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>> FOR WHAT I DID THAT DAY?
>> NO.

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>> NO.
>> I PROTECTED INNOCENT MEN.

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>> I PROTECTED INNOCENT MEN.
>> AND.

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>> AND.
>> WOMEN THAT DAY.

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>> WOMEN THAT DAY.
>> HIS PUNISHMENT? TWO STINTS

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>> HIS PUNISHMENT? TWO STINTS
BEHIND BARS TOTALING NEARLY.

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BEHIND BARS TOTALING NEARLY.
>> TWO YEARS.

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>> TWO YEARS.
>> THIS IS WHAT KEPT.

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>> THIS IS WHAT KEPT.
>> ME GOING WHEN I WAS SITTING

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>> ME GOING WHEN I WAS SITTING
IN SOLITARY FOR MONTHS ON END.

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IN SOLITARY FOR MONTHS ON END.
>> A SENTENCE THAT WAS CUT SHORT

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>> A SENTENCE THAT WAS CUT SHORT
AFTER A PARDON FROM PRESIDENT

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AFTER A PARDON FROM PRESIDENT
DONALD TRUMP.

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DONALD TRUMP.
>> HOW WOULD YOU.

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>> HOW WOULD YOU.
>> DESCRIBE PRISON?

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>> DESCRIBE PRISON?
>> THE DC JAIL IS ONE OF THE

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>> THE DC JAIL IS ONE OF THE
WORST FACILITIES IN THE NATION.

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WORST FACILITIES IN THE NATION.
WE THE PEOPLE WANT AN OPEN AND

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WE THE PEOPLE WANT AN OPEN AND
HONEST INVESTIGATION.

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HONEST INVESTIGATION.
>> WHICH IS WHY.

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>> WHICH IS WHY.
>> NOW HE SAYS HE.

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>> NOW HE SAYS HE.
>> HAS A NEW MISSION CRIMINAL

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>> HAS A NEW MISSION CRIMINAL
JUSTICE REFORM.

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JUSTICE REFORM.
>> THEY LITERALLY TORTURED US IN

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>> THEY LITERALLY TORTURED US IN
THERE.

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THERE.
>> WHAT DO YOU MEAN?

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>> WHAT DO YOU MEAN?
>> THEY DEPRIVED US OF EVERY

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>> THEY DEPRIVED US OF EVERY
SINGLE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT WE

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SINGLE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT WE
HAVE. THEY WOULD THROW ME IN

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HAVE. THEY WOULD THROW ME IN
SOLITARY CONFINEMENT REGULARLY

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SOLITARY CONFINEMENT REGULARLY
FOR COMPLAINING ABOUT THESE

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FOR COMPLAINING ABOUT THESE
THINGS. THEY DENIED US BASIC

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THINGS. THEY DENIED US BASIC
HYGIENE. THEY WOULD DENY US FOOD

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HYGIENE. THEY WOULD DENY US FOOD
FOR UP TO FIVE DAYS.

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FOR UP TO FIVE DAYS.
>> NBC REACHED OUT TO THE DC

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>> NBC REACHED OUT TO THE DC
DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS FOR

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DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS FOR
COMMENT, BUT DID NOT RECEIVE A

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COMMENT, BUT DID NOT RECEIVE A
RESPONSE. THE U.S. HAS ONE OF

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RESPONSE. THE U.S. HAS ONE OF
THE HIGHEST INCARCERATION.

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THE HIGHEST INCARCERATION.
>> RATES IN THE WORLD.

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>> RATES IN THE WORLD.
>> MAKING UP MORE THAN.

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>> MAKING UP MORE THAN.
>> 20% OF.

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>> 20% OF.
>> THE WORLD’S PRISON

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>> THE WORLD’S PRISON
POPULATION.

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POPULATION.
>> THERE’S THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE

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>> THERE’S THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE
SITTING IN PRISON RIGHT NOW THAT

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SITTING IN PRISON RIGHT NOW THAT
SHOULD BE HOME. AND SO WHEN I

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SHOULD BE HOME. AND SO WHEN I
GOT OUT, I MADE THAT PROMISE TO

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GOT OUT, I MADE THAT PROMISE TO
THESE GUYS IS I LEFT. I WILL DO

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THESE GUYS IS I LEFT. I WILL DO
EVERYTHING I CAN TO GET YOU OUT.

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EVERYTHING I CAN TO GET YOU OUT.
I WILL GO, I WILL GO TO DC. I’LL

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I WILL GO, I WILL GO TO DC. I’LL
USE WHATEVER FAME OR INFAMY I

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USE WHATEVER FAME OR INFAMY I
MAY HAVE TO TRY TO GET TO PEOPLE

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MAY HAVE TO TRY TO GET TO PEOPLE
NOW, THEIR THEIR IMPRESSION WAS

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NOW, THEIR THEIR IMPRESSION WAS
I WAS JUST GOING TO GO KNOCK ON

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I WAS JUST GOING TO GO KNOCK ON
THE WHITE HOUSE DOOR AND BE

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THE WHITE HOUSE DOOR AND BE
LIKE, HEY DON, CAN YOU GET MY

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LIKE, HEY DON, CAN YOU GET MY
BOYS OUT? THE REALITY OF THAT IS

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BOYS OUT? THE REALITY OF THAT IS
FAR DIFFERENT.

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FAR DIFFERENT.
>> WHAT IS IT?

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>> WHAT IS IT?
>> WHAT DOES IT LOOK.

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>> WHAT DOES IT LOOK.
>> LIKE NOW?

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>> LIKE NOW?
>> WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE NOW IS I

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>> WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE NOW IS I
HAVE TO GO TO CONGRESS AND BANG

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HAVE TO GO TO CONGRESS AND BANG
ON DOORS.

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ON DOORS.
>> GREAT JOB.

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>> GREAT JOB.
>> HIS GOALS.

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>> HIS GOALS.
>> INCLUDE PUSHING FOR.

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>> INCLUDE PUSHING FOR.
>> BETTER ENFORCEMENT.

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>> BETTER ENFORCEMENT.
>> OF THE FIRST.

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>> OF THE FIRST.
>> STEP ACT, DESIGNED TO IMPROVE

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>> STEP ACT, DESIGNED TO IMPROVE
CONDITIONS IN FEDERAL PRISONS.

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CONDITIONS IN FEDERAL PRISONS.
AND SHORTEN SENTENCES.

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AND SHORTEN SENTENCES.
>> FOR SOME OFFENDERS.

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>> FOR SOME OFFENDERS.
>> HE’S ALSO WORKING WITH

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>> HE’S ALSO WORKING WITH
MULTIPLE OTHER.

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MULTIPLE OTHER.
>> JANUARY 6TH.

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>> JANUARY 6TH.
>> DEFENDANTS AS PART OF AN

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>> DEFENDANTS AS PART OF AN
INITIATIVE THEY CALL THE

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INITIATIVE THEY CALL THE
DIVISION OF CIVIL. LIBERTIES

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DIVISION OF CIVIL. LIBERTIES
FOCUSED ON CRIMINAL JUSTICE

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FOCUSED ON CRIMINAL JUSTICE
REFORM.

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REFORM.
>> OUR ENTIRE PRISON SYSTEM IS

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>> OUR ENTIRE PRISON SYSTEM IS
SO BROKEN. WE DESTROY PEOPLE.

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SO BROKEN. WE DESTROY PEOPLE.
VERY FEW CAN COME OUT AND BE

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VERY FEW CAN COME OUT AND BE
SUCCESSFUL AFTERWARDS. AND OF

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SUCCESSFUL AFTERWARDS. AND OF
COURSE, WE’LL POINT TO THOSE AND

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COURSE, WE’LL POINT TO THOSE AND
BE LIKE, WELL, YOU KNOW, LOOK

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BE LIKE, WELL, YOU KNOW, LOOK
WHAT YOU CAN DO. THAT’S NOT THE

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WHAT YOU CAN DO. THAT’S NOT THE
NORM. YOU CAN’T GET A JOB. YOU

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NORM. YOU CAN’T GET A JOB. YOU
CAN’T GET A PLACE TO STAY IF YOU

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CAN’T GET A PLACE TO STAY IF YOU
DON’T HAVE FAMILY TO HELP YOU.

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DON’T HAVE FAMILY TO HELP YOU.
YOU END UP HOMELESS AND THEN

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YOU END UP HOMELESS AND THEN
THEY COME AFTER YOU AGAIN AND

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THEY COME AFTER YOU AGAIN AND
THEY’LL LOCK YOU UP.

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THEY’LL LOCK YOU UP.
>> DO YOU KNOW.

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>> DO YOU KNOW.
>> WHO.

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>> WHO.
>> I HAVE.

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>> I HAVE.
>> HEARD THIS. DESCRIPTION OF

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>> HEARD THIS. DESCRIPTION OF
THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE AND THE.

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THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE AND THE.
DESCRIPTION OF JAIL.

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DESCRIPTION OF JAIL.
>> FROM EVERYBODY ON THE LEFT.

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>> FROM EVERYBODY ON THE LEFT.
>> NO.

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>> NO.
>> UM. I HAVE HEARD WHAT YOU

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>> UM. I HAVE HEARD WHAT YOU
JUST DESCRIBED.

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JUST DESCRIBED.
>> MOST COMMONLY.

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>> MOST COMMONLY.
>> FROM BLACK MEN. DATA SHOWS

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>> FROM BLACK MEN. DATA SHOWS
ARE USUALLY CHARGED AT A RATE

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ARE USUALLY CHARGED AT A RATE
13% HIGHER FOR SIMILAR CRIMES

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13% HIGHER FOR SIMILAR CRIMES
THAT WHITE MEN COMMIT.

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THAT WHITE MEN COMMIT.
>> SURE.

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>> SURE.
>> THAT SYSTEM HAS BEEN AROUND

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>> THAT SYSTEM HAS BEEN AROUND
AND BROKEN, MANY WOULD ARGUE.

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AND BROKEN, MANY WOULD ARGUE.
>> FOR A REALLY LONG TIME.

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>> FOR A REALLY LONG TIME.
>> 100% AGREE.

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>> 100% AGREE.
>> THERE.

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>> THERE.
>> WILL UNDOUBTEDLY.

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>> WILL UNDOUBTEDLY.
>> BE SKEPTICS WHO SEE THIS

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>> BE SKEPTICS WHO SEE THIS
STORY AND SAY, HEY MAN, YOU ONLY

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STORY AND SAY, HEY MAN, YOU ONLY
CARED WHEN.

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CARED WHEN.
>> IT WAS YOU. WHERE WERE.

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>> IT WAS YOU. WHERE WERE.
>> YOU WHEN THOUSANDS OF BLACK

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>> YOU WHEN THOUSANDS OF BLACK
AND BROWN MEN WERE HAVING THEIR

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AND BROWN MEN WERE HAVING THEIR
DUE PROCESS VIOLATED? AND THEY

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DUE PROCESS VIOLATED? AND THEY
DON’T LOOK LIKE.

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DON’T LOOK LIKE.
>> YOU AND ARE STILL ROTTING IN

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>> YOU AND ARE STILL ROTTING IN
JAIL?

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JAIL?
>> OH, I’LL TELL YOU. I WAS

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>> OH, I’LL TELL YOU. I WAS
RIGHT THERE IN MINNESOTA

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RIGHT THERE IN MINNESOTA
SUPPORTING THAT. I VOTED FOR

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SUPPORTING THAT. I VOTED FOR
OBAMA. I WAS ON THE LEFT, SO I

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OBAMA. I WAS ON THE LEFT, SO I
DIDN’T LEAVE THE LEFT. THE LEFT

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DIDN’T LEAVE THE LEFT. THE LEFT
LEFT ME.

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LEFT ME.
>> WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT?

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>> WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT?
>> YOU ALL WENT TO EXTREME.

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>> YOU ALL WENT TO EXTREME.
>> WHOSE Y’ALL?

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>> WHOSE Y’ALL?
>> THE LEFT, THE MEDIA, UH, THE

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>> THE LEFT, THE MEDIA, UH, THE
POLITICIANS, UH, THE CRAZY STUFF

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POLITICIANS, UH, THE CRAZY STUFF
THAT’S GOING ON IN OUR SCHOOLS.

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THAT’S GOING ON IN OUR SCHOOLS.
THE LEFT LET THE FAR LEFT

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THE LEFT LET THE FAR LEFT
CONTROL THE NARRATIVE. AND

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CONTROL THE NARRATIVE. AND
THAT’S WHY TRUMP IS BACK IN

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THAT’S WHY TRUMP IS BACK IN
OFFICE.

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OFFICE.
>> ALL WHILE AN IMMIGRATION

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>> ALL WHILE AN IMMIGRATION
DEBATE CONTINUES OVER DUE

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DEBATE CONTINUES OVER DUE
PROCESS FOR MIGRANTS.

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PROCESS FOR MIGRANTS.
>> A BATTLE THE PRESIDENT HAS

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>> A BATTLE THE PRESIDENT HAS
WAGED.

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WAGED.
>> WITH THE VERY SAME. JUDGE

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>> WITH THE VERY SAME. JUDGE
WHO.

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WHO.
>> LOCKED MOCK UP AFTER JANUARY

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>> LOCKED MOCK UP AFTER JANUARY
6TH.

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6TH.
>> WHAT’S INTERESTING IS I HAD

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>> WHAT’S INTERESTING IS I HAD
JUDGE BOASBERG, WHO TRUMP HAS

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JUDGE BOASBERG, WHO TRUMP HAS
JUST PRETTY MUCH GONE TO WAR

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JUST PRETTY MUCH GONE TO WAR
WITH OVER THIS, AND I AGREE 100%

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WITH OVER THIS, AND I AGREE 100%
WITH JUDGE BOASBERG. THERE

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WITH JUDGE BOASBERG. THERE
SHOULD BE DUE PROCESS.

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SHOULD BE DUE PROCESS.
>> BUT MANY PEOPLE.

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>> BUT MANY PEOPLE.
>> ARE SAYING.

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>> ARE SAYING.
>> THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS

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>> THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS
TRAMPLING.

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TRAMPLING.
>> ON DUE PROCESS RIGHTS.

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>> ON DUE PROCESS RIGHTS.
>> THEY ARE. WHERE WERE THEY

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>> THEY ARE. WHERE WERE THEY
FOUR YEARS AGO WHILE MINE WERE

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FOUR YEARS AGO WHILE MINE WERE
BEING TRAMPLED ON BECAUSE I WAS

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BEING TRAMPLED ON BECAUSE I WAS
SITTING IN A PRISON CELL BY

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SITTING IN A PRISON CELL BY
MYSELF. AND I AGREE WITH YOU

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MYSELF. AND I AGREE WITH YOU
THAT IT WOULD BE HORRENDOUS IF

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THAT IT WOULD BE HORRENDOUS IF
SOMEONE’S DUE PROCESS RIGHTS

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SOMEONE’S DUE PROCESS RIGHTS
WERE BEING VIOLATED. I THINK

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WERE BEING VIOLATED. I THINK
THEY SHOULD BE UPHELD, BUT THE

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THEY SHOULD BE UPHELD, BUT THE
QUESTION BECOMES WHY WAS IT OKAY

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QUESTION BECOMES WHY WAS IT OKAY
FOR MINE IN 1600 OTHER PEOPLE TO

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FOR MINE IN 1600 OTHER PEOPLE TO
HAVE THEIR DUE PROCESS JUST

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HAVE THEIR DUE PROCESS JUST
COMPLETELY DISREGARDED?

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COMPLETELY DISREGARDED?
>> THERE ARE MORE THAN.

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>> THERE ARE MORE THAN.
>> 120 DOCUMENTS.

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>> 120 DOCUMENTS.
>> RELATED TO MOCK.

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>> RELATED TO MOCK.
>> TRIAL THAT SPANNED NEARLY.

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>> TRIAL THAT SPANNED NEARLY.
>> FOUR YEARS.

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>> FOUR YEARS.
>> ALL PUBLICLY AVAILABLE.

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>> ALL PUBLICLY AVAILABLE.
>> DO YOU SUPPORT THE PRESIDENT?

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>> DO YOU SUPPORT THE PRESIDENT?
>> IT’S AN OVERALL FEELING.

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>> IT’S AN OVERALL FEELING.
SURE. I APPRECIATE THE PARDON

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SURE. I APPRECIATE THE PARDON
THAT TRUMP GAVE. HE SHOULD HAVE

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THAT TRUMP GAVE. HE SHOULD HAVE
YOU KNOW, HE MADE THE PROMISE

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YOU KNOW, HE MADE THE PROMISE
AND HE FOLLOWED THROUGH ON IT.

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AND HE FOLLOWED THROUGH ON IT.
AND I THANK HIM FOR THAT. THAT

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AND I THANK HIM FOR THAT. THAT
WAS A GOOD START.

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WAS A GOOD START.
>> A START, HE SAYS. WITH STILL.

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>> A START, HE SAYS. WITH STILL.
>> A LONG.

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>> A LONG.
>> ROAD AHEAD.

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>> ROAD AHEAD.
>> WE ALSO REACHED OUT TO THE

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>> WE ALSO REACHED OUT TO THE
BUREAU OF PRISONS ABOUT THEIR

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BUREAU OF PRISONS ABOUT THEIR
ADHERENCE TO THE FIRST STEP ACT,

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ADHERENCE TO THE FIRST STEP ACT,
WHICH MR. MOCK MENTIONED. THEY

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WHICH MR. MOCK MENTIONED. THEY
SAID RELEASE DATES ARE

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SAID RELEASE DATES ARE
CALCULATED WITH SEVERAL

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CALCULATED WITH SEVERAL
DIFFERENT FACTORS IN MIND,

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DIFFERENT FACTORS IN MIND,
INCLUDING GOOD CONDUCT, TIME AND

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INCLUDING GOOD CONDUCT, TIME AND
PARTICIPATION IN RECIDIVISM

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PARTICIPATION IN RECIDIVISM
REDUCTION PROGRAMS. LAST YEAR,

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REDUCTION PROGRAMS. LAST YEAR,
THE U.S. GOVERNMENT

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THE U.S. GOVERNMENT
ACCOUNTABILITY OFFICE ALSO

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ACCOUNTABILITY OFFICE ALSO
LOOKED INTO THIS AND RELEASED A

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LOOKED INTO THIS AND RELEASED A
REPORT SAYING THE BUREAU OF

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REPORT SAYING THE BUREAU OF
PRISONS LACKS CLEAR, MEASURABLE

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PRISONS LACKS CLEAR, MEASURABLE
GOALS AND MILESTONES TO EVALUATE

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GOALS AND MILESTONES TO EVALUATE
WHETHER THOSE PROGRAMS ARE

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WHETHER THOSE PROGRAMS ARE
ACTUALLY WORKING. HALLIE MORGAN

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ACTUALLY WORKING. HALLIE MORGAN
RADFORD, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR

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RADFORD, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR
THAT. ALSO, OF COURSE, WATCH

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THAT. ALSO, OF COURSE, WATCH
MORGAN EVERY DAY WITH VICKI ON

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