WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:00.857 ACTIONS. >> THAT HE PARDONED. 00:00.868 --> 00:02.602 >> THAT HE PARDONED. >> IT WAS A. 00:02.603 --> 00:03.393 >> IT WAS A. >> MISCARRIAGE OF. 00:03.404 --> 00:05.772 >> MISCARRIAGE OF. >> JUSTICE THAT HE PARDONED. 00:05.773 --> 00:07.097 >> JUSTICE THAT HE PARDONED. >> JOINING ME NOW, DEMOCRATIC 00:07.108 --> 00:08.365 >> JOINING ME NOW, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST AND FORMER ADVISER TO 00:08.376 --> 00:10.267 STRATEGIST AND FORMER ADVISER TO THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN, AND MISHA 00:10.278 --> 00:12.169 THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN, AND MISHA CROSS AND BRENDAN BUCK, MSNBC 00:12.180 --> 00:13.536 CROSS AND BRENDAN BUCK, MSNBC POLITICAL ANALYST AND FORMER 00:13.547 --> 00:15.148 POLITICAL ANALYST AND FORMER PRESS SECRETARY TO HOUSE SPEAKER 00:15.183 --> 00:17.975 PRESS SECRETARY TO HOUSE SPEAKER JOHN BOEHNER. WELCOME YOU TO 00:17.986 --> 00:19.342 JOHN BOEHNER. WELCOME YOU TO AMISHA TERRIO SAID HE WASN’T 00:19.353 --> 00:21.388 AMISHA TERRIO SAID HE WASN’T ASKING FOR VIOLENT RETRIBUTION. 00:21.422 --> 00:23.113 ASKING FOR VIOLENT RETRIBUTION. BUT DOES THAT THREAT REMAIN WHEN 00:23.124 --> 00:24.748 BUT DOES THAT THREAT REMAIN WHEN YOU HAVE THESE LEADERS CALLING 00:24.759 --> 00:26.059 YOU HAVE THESE LEADERS CALLING FOR REVENGE? I MEAN, ONE 00:26.094 --> 00:27.451 FOR REVENGE? I MEAN, ONE FOLLOWER COULD INTERPRET IT TO 00:27.462 --> 00:29.119 FOLLOWER COULD INTERPRET IT TO MEAN VIOLENCE. IS DONALD TRUMP 00:29.130 --> 00:31.231 MEAN VIOLENCE. IS DONALD TRUMP PREPARED FOR THAT? 00:31.232 --> 00:33.200 PREPARED FOR THAT? >> I THINK DONALD TRUMP IS 00:33.234 --> 00:34.157 >> I THINK DONALD TRUMP IS PREPARED FOR IT. I ALSO THINK 00:34.168 --> 00:35.202 PREPARED FOR IT. I ALSO THINK THAT THERE’S SOMETHING SINISTER 00:35.236 --> 00:36.536 THAT THERE’S SOMETHING SINISTER BEHIND IT. ONE THING THAT WE 00:36.537 --> 00:37.961 BEHIND IT. ONE THING THAT WE KNOW ABOUT CRIMINALITY IS THAT 00:37.972 --> 00:39.173 KNOW ABOUT CRIMINALITY IS THAT THOSE THAT HAVE COMMITTED 00:39.207 --> 00:41.165 THOSE THAT HAVE COMMITTED VIOLENT CRIMES ARE LIKELY TO 00:41.176 --> 00:43.033 VIOLENT CRIMES ARE LIKELY TO COMMIT VIOLENT CRIMES AGAIN. 00:43.044 --> 00:44.344 COMMIT VIOLENT CRIMES AGAIN. THAT’S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE 00:44.345 --> 00:46.680 THAT’S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE TRY TO KEEP VIOLENT CRIMINALS 00:46.714 --> 00:48.205 TRY TO KEEP VIOLENT CRIMINALS DETAINED. BUT IN ADDITION TO 00:48.216 --> 00:50.250 DETAINED. BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, SET PARAMETERS AROUND THEM 00:50.251 --> 00:51.508 THAT, SET PARAMETERS AROUND THEM WHEN THEY ARE RELEASED. WITH 00:51.519 --> 00:53.577 WHEN THEY ARE RELEASED. WITH THAT BEING SAID, THIS IS A GUY 00:53.588 --> 00:55.446 THAT BEING SAID, THIS IS A GUY WHO KNOWS THAT WORDS HAVE POWER. 00:55.457 --> 00:57.023 WHO KNOWS THAT WORDS HAVE POWER. WE RECALL EVEN BEFORE JANUARY 00:57.058 --> 00:58.425 WE RECALL EVEN BEFORE JANUARY 6TH, THE PROUD BOYS WERE ISSUING 00:58.426 --> 00:59.783 6TH, THE PROUD BOYS WERE ISSUING ALL TYPES OF STATEMENTS WHERE 00:59.794 --> 01:01.962 ALL TYPES OF STATEMENTS WHERE THEY WERE UTILIZING WHITE 01:01.963 --> 01:02.963 THEY WERE UTILIZING WHITE SUPREMACIST VIOLENCE THROUGHOUT 01:02.964 --> 01:04.198 SUPREMACIST VIOLENCE THROUGHOUT COMMUNITIES ACROSS THIS COUNTRY. 01:04.232 --> 01:05.966 COMMUNITIES ACROSS THIS COUNTRY. SO HE DEFINITELY KNOWS THAT HIS 01:05.967 --> 01:07.658 SO HE DEFINITELY KNOWS THAT HIS WORDS HAVE POWER, AS DOES DONALD 01:07.669 --> 01:09.527 WORDS HAVE POWER, AS DOES DONALD TRUMP, WHO DURING HIS LAST TIME 01:09.538 --> 01:11.395 TRUMP, WHO DURING HIS LAST TIME IN OFFICE, UPLIFTED A LOT OF THE 01:11.406 --> 01:12.573 IN OFFICE, UPLIFTED A LOT OF THE WORDS OF PEOPLE LIKE THE PROUD 01:12.574 --> 01:13.874 WORDS OF PEOPLE LIKE THE PROUD BOYS. 01:13.875 --> 01:15.466 BOYS. >> SO, BRENDAN, THE PARDONS TOOK 01:15.477 --> 01:17.311 >> SO, BRENDAN, THE PARDONS TOOK MANY TRUMP ALLIES BY SURPRISE. 01:17.345 --> 01:19.646 MANY TRUMP ALLIES BY SURPRISE. MANY REPUBLICANS, IN FACT, HAVE 01:19.648 --> 01:20.304 MANY REPUBLICANS, IN FACT, HAVE STRUGGLED TO RESPOND WHEN 01:20.315 --> 01:21.873 STRUGGLED TO RESPOND WHEN THEY’RE ASKED ABOUT IT. COULD 01:21.884 --> 01:23.283 THEY’RE ASKED ABOUT IT. COULD THIS HAVE POLITICAL CONSEQUENCES 01:23.285 --> 01:25.176 THIS HAVE POLITICAL CONSEQUENCES NOT ONLY FOR TRUMP, BUT ALSO 01:25.187 --> 01:29.489 NOT ONLY FOR TRUMP, BUT ALSO LAWMAKERS IN THE MIDTERMS? 01:29.491 --> 01:29.790 LAWMAKERS IN THE MIDTERMS? >> PERHAPS? 01:29.791 --> 01:30.891 >> PERHAPS? >> I MEAN, THE CONSEQUENCES 01:30.892 --> 01:32.259 >> I MEAN, THE CONSEQUENCES HAVEN’T REALLY CAUGHT UP TO 01:32.294 --> 01:34.018 HAVEN’T REALLY CAUGHT UP TO ANYBODY YET. DONALD TRUMP RAN ON 01:34.029 --> 01:35.062 ANYBODY YET. DONALD TRUMP RAN ON THE IDEA OF PARDONING THESE 01:35.096 --> 01:37.020 THE IDEA OF PARDONING THESE PEOPLE. BUT WHAT HE DID RUN ON 01:37.031 --> 01:38.632 PEOPLE. BUT WHAT HE DID RUN ON THE ON MORE SPECIFICALLY WAS HE 01:38.667 --> 01:40.191 THE ON MORE SPECIFICALLY WAS HE WAS GOING TO PARDON THE PEOPLE 01:40.202 --> 01:42.226 WAS GOING TO PARDON THE PEOPLE WHO WERE NONVIOLENT AND AS MUCH 01:42.237 --> 01:43.895 WHO WERE NONVIOLENT AND AS MUCH AS HIS OWN VICE PRESIDENT WERE 01:43.906 --> 01:45.873 AS HIS OWN VICE PRESIDENT WERE SAYING THAT JUST DAYS BEFORE THE 01:45.907 --> 01:47.231 SAYING THAT JUST DAYS BEFORE THE PARDONS. I THINK IT’S IMPORTANT 01:47.242 --> 01:48.700 PARDONS. I THINK IT’S IMPORTANT TO APPRECIATE WHAT DONALD TRUMP 01:48.711 --> 01:49.743 TO APPRECIATE WHAT DONALD TRUMP SAID RECENTLY, EXPLAINING THAT 01:49.778 --> 01:51.569 SAID RECENTLY, EXPLAINING THAT HE SAID THAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN 01:51.580 --> 01:53.538 HE SAID THAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN TOO CUMBERSOME TO GO THROUGH ALL 01:53.549 --> 01:54.582 TOO CUMBERSOME TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THE CASES AND FIGURE OUT 01:54.616 --> 01:56.540 OF THE CASES AND FIGURE OUT WHICH ONES WERE TOO VIOLENT TO 01:56.551 --> 01:58.185 WHICH ONES WERE TOO VIOLENT TO RELEASE. IT WAS TOO CUMBERSOME. 01:58.220 --> 01:59.620 RELEASE. IT WAS TOO CUMBERSOME. HE DIDN’T WANT TO TAKE THE TIME 01:59.621 --> 02:02.146 HE DIDN’T WANT TO TAKE THE TIME TO THINK ABOUT IT, THINK ABOUT 02:02.157 --> 02:03.324 TO THINK ABOUT IT, THINK ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THIS PERSON WAS 02:03.325 --> 02:04.258 WHETHER OR NOT THIS PERSON WAS ACTUALLY A THREAT TO FURTHER 02:04.293 --> 02:06.027 ACTUALLY A THREAT TO FURTHER VIOLENCE, OR WHAT THEY DID WAS 02:06.028 --> 02:07.886 VIOLENCE, OR WHAT THEY DID WAS SO HEINOUS THAT THEY SHOULDN’T 02:07.897 --> 02:10.388 SO HEINOUS THAT THEY SHOULDN’T BE RELEASED, LIKE INJURING 02:10.399 --> 02:11.756 BE RELEASED, LIKE INJURING POLICE OFFICERS. THAT’S HOW 02:11.767 --> 02:14.034 POLICE OFFICERS. THAT’S HOW SERIOUS OR NOT. SERIOUSLY, HE’S 02:14.036 --> 02:15.570 SERIOUS OR NOT. SERIOUSLY, HE’S TAKEN THIS. SO, YOU KNOW, HE MAY 02:15.604 --> 02:18.005 TAKEN THIS. SO, YOU KNOW, HE MAY HE MAY ACT LIKE THERE WAS SOME 02:18.006 --> 02:18.896 HE MAY ACT LIKE THERE WAS SOME GREATER CALLING WHAT’S GOING ON 02:18.907 --> 02:20.965 GREATER CALLING WHAT’S GOING ON HERE? BUT HE SORT OF GAVE THAT 02:20.976 --> 02:21.676 HERE? BUT HE SORT OF GAVE THAT UP WHEN HE ADMITTED HE DIDN’T 02:21.710 --> 02:23.601 UP WHEN HE ADMITTED HE DIDN’T EVEN LOOK AT THESE THINGS. HE 02:23.612 --> 02:25.546 EVEN LOOK AT THESE THINGS. HE JUST SAID, LOOK, IF THESE PEOPLE 02:25.547 --> 02:26.804 JUST SAID, LOOK, IF THESE PEOPLE WERE FOR ME ON THAT DAY, I DON’T 02:26.815 --> 02:29.407 WERE FOR ME ON THAT DAY, I DON’T CARE WHAT THEY DID. LET THEM ALL 02:29.418 --> 02:29.574 CARE WHAT THEY DID. LET THEM ALL OUT. 02:29.585 --> 02:30.484 OUT. >> YEAH. JUST LETTING THAT SINK 02:30.519 --> 02:32.253 >> YEAH. JUST LETTING THAT SINK IN FOR A MOMENT. ALL OF YOU 02:32.254 --> 02:34.145 IN FOR A MOMENT. ALL OF YOU WATCHING AS WELL. AMISHA, LET’S 02:34.156 --> 02:35.356 WATCHING AS WELL. AMISHA, LET’S MOVE TO THE TRUMP 02:35.357 --> 02:35.980 MOVE TO THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. HAVING CARRIED 02:35.991 --> 02:37.625 ADMINISTRATION. HAVING CARRIED OUT THESE VERY PUBLICIZED 02:37.660 --> 02:39.484 OUT THESE VERY PUBLICIZED IMMIGRATION RAIDS, OVER 1100 02:39.495 --> 02:40.861 IMMIGRATION RAIDS, OVER 1100 ARRESTS WERE MADE ACROSS 02:40.863 --> 02:42.654 ARRESTS WERE MADE ACROSS THURSDAY AND FRIDAY. THE MAYOR 02:42.665 --> 02:44.065 THURSDAY AND FRIDAY. THE MAYOR OF NEWARK, NEW JERSEY, REACTED 02:44.066 --> 02:45.500 OF NEWARK, NEW JERSEY, REACTED TO AN IMMIGRATION RAID IN HIS 02:45.534 --> 02:46.734 TO AN IMMIGRATION RAID IN HIS CITY THURSDAY AT A LOCAL 02:46.735 --> 02:48.226 CITY THURSDAY AT A LOCAL BUSINESS. HE SAID U.S. CITIZENS 02:48.237 --> 02:51.339 BUSINESS. HE SAID U.S. CITIZENS WERE DETAINED. LISTEN UP. 02:51.340 --> 02:52.797 WERE DETAINED. LISTEN UP. >> NONE OF THESE PEOPLE. 02:52.808 --> 02:55.877 >> NONE OF THESE PEOPLE. >> WERE RAPISTS OR MURDERERS OR 02:55.878 --> 02:58.646 >> WERE RAPISTS OR MURDERERS OR CRIMINALS. THE PROBLEM WITH IT. 02:58.681 --> 03:01.373 CRIMINALS. THE PROBLEM WITH IT. IS THAT ICE WENT IN THERE 03:01.384 --> 03:02.875 IS THAT ICE WENT IN THERE WITHOUT A WARRANT, AND. 03:02.886 --> 03:05.353 WITHOUT A WARRANT, AND. >> WE CAN DISAGREE. ON POLITICS. 03:05.354 --> 03:06.511 >> WE CAN DISAGREE. ON POLITICS. BUT WHAT WE MUST. 03:06.522 --> 03:07.255 BUT WHAT WE MUST. >> AGREE ON. 03:07.289 --> 03:08.589 >> AGREE ON. >> IS THAT THE THING THAT 03:08.591 --> 03:09.848 >> IS THAT THE THING THAT SEPARATES THIS COUNTRY FROM MANY 03:09.859 --> 03:11.860 SEPARATES THIS COUNTRY FROM MANY OTHER COUNTRIES AROUND THE. 03:11.861 --> 03:12.718 OTHER COUNTRIES AROUND THE. WORLD IS THE CONSTITUTION. 03:12.729 --> 03:14.729 WORLD IS THE CONSTITUTION. >> OF THE UNITED STATES. 03:14.764 --> 03:17.165 >> OF THE UNITED STATES. >> SO WE KNOW ABOUT 70% OF THOSE 03:17.166 --> 03:19.324 >> SO WE KNOW ABOUT 70% OF THOSE ARRESTED THURSDAY AND FRIDAY HAD 03:19.335 --> 03:21.270 ARRESTED THURSDAY AND FRIDAY HAD CRIMINAL RECORDS. DOES IT SEEM 03:21.304 --> 03:23.262 CRIMINAL RECORDS. DOES IT SEEM LIKE TRUMP IS KEEPING HIS PLEDGE 03:23.273 --> 03:26.231 LIKE TRUMP IS KEEPING HIS PLEDGE TO GO AFTER CRIMINALS FIRST? 03:26.242 --> 03:27.743 TO GO AFTER CRIMINALS FIRST? >> NO. IT SEEMS LIKE DONALD 03:27.777 --> 03:30.812 >> NO. IT SEEMS LIKE DONALD TRUMP USED THAT AS A PR CAMPAIGN 03:30.813 --> 03:33.181 TRUMP USED THAT AS A PR CAMPAIGN TO BASICALLY RELAX THE EMOTIONS 03:33.182 --> 03:35.216 TO BASICALLY RELAX THE EMOTIONS OF THOSE WHO ARE UNDOCUMENTED OR 03:35.218 --> 03:36.518 OF THOSE WHO ARE UNDOCUMENTED OR GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS AND 03:36.519 --> 03:38.520 GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS AND HAVE NOT, YOU KNOW, BEEN BEEN 03:38.521 --> 03:39.578 HAVE NOT, YOU KNOW, BEEN BEEN COMPLETELY GRANTED CITIZENSHIP 03:39.589 --> 03:41.990 COMPLETELY GRANTED CITIZENSHIP YET TO FEEL AS THOUGH THEY WERE 03:41.991 --> 03:44.049 YET TO FEEL AS THOUGH THEY WERE GOING TO BE OKAY. WHAT WE’RE 03:44.060 --> 03:44.817 GOING TO BE OKAY. WHAT WE’RE SEEING IN THESE RAIDS IS THAT 03:44.828 --> 03:46.828 SEEING IN THESE RAIDS IS THAT THEY ARE NO RESPECTER OF 03:46.829 --> 03:48.229 THEY ARE NO RESPECTER OF PERSONS. THEY ARE GOING TO 03:48.231 --> 03:49.498 PERSONS. THEY ARE GOING TO RESTAURANTS, THEY ARE GOING TO 03:49.532 --> 03:50.422 RESTAURANTS, THEY ARE GOING TO STORES, THEY ARE GOING TO 03:50.433 --> 03:52.200 STORES, THEY ARE GOING TO COMMUNITIES THAT ARE KNOWN TO 03:52.201 --> 03:53.892 COMMUNITIES THAT ARE KNOWN TO HAVE SIZABLE LATINO POPULATIONS. 03:53.903 --> 03:55.160 HAVE SIZABLE LATINO POPULATIONS. AND THEY ARE JUST ESSENTIALLY 03:55.171 --> 03:56.929 AND THEY ARE JUST ESSENTIALLY ROUNDING PEOPLE UP. THERE WAS 03:56.940 --> 03:58.507 ROUNDING PEOPLE UP. THERE WAS ONE CASE SPECIFICALLY IN NEWARK 03:58.541 --> 03:59.765 ONE CASE SPECIFICALLY IN NEWARK THAT THE MAYOR ACTUALLY TALKED 03:59.776 --> 04:02.210 THAT THE MAYOR ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT, WHERE ONE OF THE PEOPLE 04:02.245 --> 04:05.938 ABOUT, WHERE ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO WAS WHO ACTUALLY ENCOUNTERED 04:05.949 --> 04:08.717 WHO WAS WHO ACTUALLY ENCOUNTERED ICE WAS AN ACTUAL WAS ONE OF OUR 04:08.718 --> 04:10.552 ICE WAS AN ACTUAL WAS ONE OF OUR FORMER SERVICEMEN. HE WAS A 04:10.553 --> 04:12.277 FORMER SERVICEMEN. HE WAS A VETERAN, SOMEONE WHO HAD 04:12.288 --> 04:13.188 VETERAN, SOMEONE WHO HAD DOCUMENTATION, SOMEONE WHO HAD 04:13.223 --> 04:15.915 DOCUMENTATION, SOMEONE WHO HAD HIS ID ON HIM. AND ICE ACTED AS 04:15.926 --> 04:17.783 HIS ID ON HIM. AND ICE ACTED AS THOUGH THAT ID MIGHT HAVE BEEN 04:17.794 --> 04:19.795 THOUGH THAT ID MIGHT HAVE BEEN FAKE. THEY DO NOT CARE WHETHER 04:19.829 --> 04:21.186 FAKE. THEY DO NOT CARE WHETHER THESE ARE ACTUAL AMERICAN 04:21.197 --> 04:22.598 THESE ARE ACTUAL AMERICAN CITIZENS OR NOT. AND I THINK 04:22.632 --> 04:24.389 CITIZENS OR NOT. AND I THINK THAT AS THIS CONTINUES TO 04:24.400 --> 04:25.534 THAT AS THIS CONTINUES TO HAPPEN, WE’RE GOING TO SEE MORE 04:25.568 --> 04:27.359 HAPPEN, WE’RE GOING TO SEE MORE AND MORE PEOPLE GET ROUNDED UP 04:27.370 --> 04:29.628 AND MORE PEOPLE GET ROUNDED UP WHO ARE LEGALLY IN THIS COUNTRY, 04:29.639 --> 04:31.530 WHO ARE LEGALLY IN THIS COUNTRY, WHO JUST HAPPEN TO BE OF A 04:31.541 --> 04:32.131 WHO JUST HAPPEN TO BE OF A LATINO BACKGROUND. 04:32.142 --> 04:33.733 LATINO BACKGROUND. >> BRANDON, AT LEAST ONE 04:33.744 --> 04:34.743 >> BRANDON, AT LEAST ONE DEPORTATION FLIGHT WAS NOT ABLE 04:34.744 --> 04:36.435 DEPORTATION FLIGHT WAS NOT ABLE TO TAKE OFF BECAUSE MEXICO 04:36.446 --> 04:38.771 TO TAKE OFF BECAUSE MEXICO DENIED THAT PLANE ACCESS TO 04:38.782 --> 04:40.706 DENIED THAT PLANE ACCESS TO LAND. WILL TRUMP HAVE THE 04:40.717 --> 04:41.751 LAND. WILL TRUMP HAVE THE RESOURCES AND THE COOPERATION OF 04:41.785 --> 04:43.643 RESOURCES AND THE COOPERATION OF OTHER NATIONS ACTUALLY TO CARRY 04:43.654 --> 04:46.211 OTHER NATIONS ACTUALLY TO CARRY OUT THE MASS DETENTIONS AND 04:46.222 --> 04:48.757 OUT THE MASS DETENTIONS AND DEPORTATIONS THAT HE’S PROMISED? 04:48.792 --> 04:50.459 DEPORTATIONS THAT HE’S PROMISED? >> IT’S ABSOLUTELY THE RIGHT 04:50.460 --> 04:51.216 >> IT’S ABSOLUTELY THE RIGHT QUESTION. AND I THINK WHAT 04:51.227 --> 04:53.962 QUESTION. AND I THINK WHAT YOU’RE SEEING EARLY ON, 04:53.997 --> 04:56.222 YOU’RE SEEING EARLY ON, JAMELIA’S POINT IS A LOT OF 04:56.233 --> 04:57.866 JAMELIA’S POINT IS A LOT OF ACTIVITY TO GET PEOPLE ALL SPUN 04:57.901 --> 05:00.326 ACTIVITY TO GET PEOPLE ALL SPUN UP BECAUSE THERE ARE REAL 05:00.337 --> 05:01.404 UP BECAUSE THERE ARE REAL LOGISTICAL ROADBLOCKS TO BEING 05:01.405 --> 05:02.705 LOGISTICAL ROADBLOCKS TO BEING ABLE TO DO WHAT HE’S TALKED 05:02.706 --> 05:04.497 ABLE TO DO WHAT HE’S TALKED ABOUT DOING. MASS DEPORTATIONS. 05:04.508 --> 05:05.999 ABOUT DOING. MASS DEPORTATIONS. WHILE THERE HAVE BEEN RAIDS HERE 05:06.010 --> 05:07.700 WHILE THERE HAVE BEEN RAIDS HERE AND THERE, THERE ARE ALWAYS 05:07.711 --> 05:09.145 AND THERE, THERE ARE ALWAYS RAIDS. THERE WERE RAIDS IN THE 05:09.179 --> 05:09.912 RAIDS. THERE WERE RAIDS IN THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION. IT’S NOT 05:09.913 --> 05:12.037 BIDEN ADMINISTRATION. IT’S NOT SO EASY TO JUST GO IN AND 05:12.048 --> 05:13.482 SO EASY TO JUST GO IN AND IDENTIFY DANGEROUS CRIMINALS AND 05:13.517 --> 05:15.518 IDENTIFY DANGEROUS CRIMINALS AND ROOT THEM OUT. THEY ALSO DON’T 05:15.519 --> 05:16.776 ROOT THEM OUT. THEY ALSO DON’T HAVE ANYWHERE TO PUT THEM. THIS 05:16.787 --> 05:18.344 HAVE ANYWHERE TO PUT THEM. THIS IS GOING TO IF THEY’RE ACTUALLY 05:18.355 --> 05:20.089 IS GOING TO IF THEY’RE ACTUALLY GOING TO DO THIS, IT’S GOING TO 05:20.124 --> 05:22.282 GOING TO DO THIS, IT’S GOING TO TAKE A REALLY LONG TIME, BUT 05:22.293 --> 05:23.325 TAKE A REALLY LONG TIME, BUT IT’S ALSO GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF 05:23.327 --> 05:25.018 IT’S ALSO GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF RESOURCES FROM CONGRESS. AND 05:25.029 --> 05:25.594 RESOURCES FROM CONGRESS. AND IT’S NOT EXACTLY CLEAR THAT 05:25.596 --> 05:27.330 IT’S NOT EXACTLY CLEAR THAT THEY’RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET 05:27.331 --> 05:29.699 THEY’RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET THOSE. SO I THINK WHAT THEY’RE 05:29.700 --> 05:30.290 THOSE. SO I THINK WHAT THEY’RE TRYING TO DO, I THINK, TO 05:30.301 --> 05:32.034 TRYING TO DO, I THINK, TO MARSHA’S POINT, IS TO SCARE 05:32.036 --> 05:33.627 MARSHA’S POINT, IS TO SCARE EVERYBODY. IT’S ONE SCARE TO 05:33.638 --> 05:35.261 EVERYBODY. IT’S ONE SCARE TO PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE, MAYBE HOPE 05:35.272 --> 05:36.306 PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE, MAYBE HOPE THAT THEY THEY LEAVE, BUT ALSO 05:36.340 --> 05:37.640 THAT THEY THEY LEAVE, BUT ALSO SCARE PEOPLE FROM COMING HERE IN 05:37.641 --> 05:39.332 SCARE PEOPLE FROM COMING HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE. LOOK, I THINK 05:39.343 --> 05:41.367 THE FIRST PLACE. LOOK, I THINK IF DONALD TRUMP KEPT HIS PROMISE 05:41.378 --> 05:42.135 IF DONALD TRUMP KEPT HIS PROMISE TO ROOT OUT CRIMINALS WHO ARE 05:42.146 --> 05:43.413 TO ROOT OUT CRIMINALS WHO ARE NOT HERE ILLEGALLY, THAT WOULD 05:43.447 --> 05:45.171 NOT HERE ILLEGALLY, THAT WOULD BE REALLY POPULAR AND I WOULD BE 05:45.182 --> 05:47.417 BE REALLY POPULAR AND I WOULD BE ALL THERE FOR THAT. I THINK THEY 05:47.451 --> 05:48.041 ALL THERE FOR THAT. I THINK THEY PROBABLY ARE THINKING MUCH 05:48.052 --> 05:50.720 PROBABLY ARE THINKING MUCH BIGGER THAN THAT, AND I THINK 05:50.721 --> 05:51.277 BIGGER THAN THAT, AND I THINK THEY’RE JUST GOING TO BE 05:51.288 --> 05:52.455 THEY’RE JUST GOING TO BE BUILDING TO IT. SO IT’S GOING TO 05:52.456 --> 05:54.557 BUILDING TO IT. SO IT’S GOING TO BE A STORY THAT’S WITH US FOR A 05:54.558 --> 05:56.225 BE A STORY THAT’S WITH US FOR A LONG TIME. IT’S JUST EASIER SAID 05:56.260 --> 05:57.560 LONG TIME. IT’S JUST EASIER SAID THAN DONE AT FIRST. 05:57.561 --> 05:58.418 THAN DONE AT FIRST. >> I’M GOING TO ASK THIS LAST 05:58.429 --> 06:00.630 >> I’M GOING TO ASK THIS LAST QUESTION TO BOTH OF YOU AND ASK 06:00.631 --> 06:02.465 QUESTION TO BOTH OF YOU AND ASK FOR YOUR ANSWERS IN A FEW WORDS. 06:02.466 --> 06:03.389 FOR YOUR ANSWERS IN A FEW WORDS. BRENDAN, YOU FIRST, WITH 06:03.400 --> 06:04.200 BRENDAN, YOU FIRST, WITH JONATHAN ALLEN DESCRIBING 06:04.235 --> 06:05.535 JONATHAN ALLEN DESCRIBING TRUMP’S FIRST WEEK AS REWARDING 06:05.536 --> 06:07.193 TRUMP’S FIRST WEEK AS REWARDING HIS MAGA BASE AND SETTLING 06:07.204 --> 06:08.004 HIS MAGA BASE AND SETTLING SCORES. AND HE SAID TRUMP’S 06:08.039 --> 06:09.973 SCORES. AND HE SAID TRUMP’S FLOOD THE ZONE STRATEGY MEANS 06:09.974 --> 06:10.497 FLOOD THE ZONE STRATEGY MEANS THAT EACH MOVE GETS LESS 06:10.508 --> 06:12.008 THAT EACH MOVE GETS LESS SCRUTINY THAN IT WOULD UNDER A 06:12.043 --> 06:13.443 SCRUTINY THAN IT WOULD UNDER A LESS ACTIVIST PRESIDENT. IS HE 06:13.444 --> 06:14.668 LESS ACTIVIST PRESIDENT. IS HE HOPING THAT THIS AVALANCHE MAKES 06:14.679 --> 06:15.903 HOPING THAT THIS AVALANCHE MAKES IT HARDER TO PUSH BACK AGAINST 06:15.914 --> 06:17.347 IT HARDER TO PUSH BACK AGAINST SPECIFIC ACTIONS? AND DO YOU 06:17.381 --> 06:18.147 SPECIFIC ACTIONS? AND DO YOU THINK IT’S WORKING? 06:18.149 --> 06:19.840 THINK IT’S WORKING? >> ABSOLUTELY. AND IT’S BEEN A 06:19.851 --> 06:21.107 >> ABSOLUTELY. AND IT’S BEEN A CALLING CARD OF HIS FOREVER. 06:21.118 --> 06:22.419 CALLING CARD OF HIS FOREVER. IT’S HARD TO KEEP TRACK OF 06:22.453 --> 06:23.553 IT’S HARD TO KEEP TRACK OF WHATEVER HE’S DOING BECAUSE 06:23.554 --> 06:25.178 WHATEVER HE’S DOING BECAUSE HE’LL HE’LL OUTRAGE YOU WITH 06:25.189 --> 06:26.289 HE’LL HE’LL OUTRAGE YOU WITH SOMETHING ELSE THE NEXT DAY. 06:26.290 --> 06:27.547 SOMETHING ELSE THE NEXT DAY. THERE’S A LIST OF THINGS WE 06:27.558 --> 06:30.083 THERE’S A LIST OF THINGS WE COULD TALK ABOUT. HE DID IN THE 06:30.094 --> 06:31.494 COULD TALK ABOUT. HE DID IN THE FIRST WEEK THAT WE DON’T HAVE 06:31.496 --> 06:32.753 FIRST WEEK THAT WE DON’T HAVE TIME TO GET INTO. I DON’T THINK 06:32.764 --> 06:33.553 TIME TO GET INTO. I DON’T THINK THAT’S GOING TO SLOW DOWN 06:33.564 --> 06:34.697 THAT’S GOING TO SLOW DOWN ANYTIME SOON. 06:34.699 --> 06:36.023 ANYTIME SOON. >> OKAY. LAST WORD TO YOU 06:36.034 --> 06:37.400 >> OKAY. LAST WORD TO YOU QUICKLY, MIKA. 06:37.401 --> 06:38.568 QUICKLY, MIKA. >> NO, I THINK THAT’S ABSOLUTELY 06:38.603 --> 06:39.393 >> NO, I THINK THAT’S ABSOLUTELY TRUE. THIS IS DONALD TRUMP’S 06:39.404 --> 06:41.362 TRUE. THIS IS DONALD TRUMP’S M.O. HE LIKES TO OPEN THE 06:41.373 --> 06:42.205 M.O. HE LIKES TO OPEN THE FLOODGATES, AND THAT’S WHAT HE’S 06:42.206 --> 06:43.206 FLOODGATES, AND THAT’S WHAT HE’S DOING. HE IS NOT ONLY 06:43.207 --> 06:45.532 DOING. HE IS NOT ONLY ERADICATING A LOT OF THE A LOT 06:45.543 --> 06:47.201 ERADICATING A LOT OF THE A LOT OF THE POLICIES FROM THE BIDEN 06:47.212 --> 06:47.877 OF THE POLICIES FROM THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION. HE’S ALSO GOING 06:47.912 --> 06:49.212 ADMINISTRATION. HE’S ALSO GOING ALL THE WAY BACK TO LYNDON 06:49.213 --> 06:50.336 ALL THE WAY BACK TO LYNDON BAINES JOHNSON. HE’S HITTING YOU 06:50.347 --> 06:51.649 BAINES JOHNSON. HE’S HITTING YOU WITH THE UNRAVELING OF CIVIL 06:51.683 --> 06:52.239 WITH THE UNRAVELING OF CIVIL RIGHTS, RE-ENVISIONING THE 06:52.250 --> 06:54.317 RIGHTS, RE-ENVISIONING THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE. THESE ARE 06:54.319 --> 06:56.353 DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE. THESE ARE THINGS THAT TOOK DECADES TO PUT 06:56.387 --> 06:58.421 THINGS THAT TOOK DECADES TO PUT INTO PLACE, AND HE IS 06:58.423 --> 06:59.947 INTO PLACE, AND HE IS ESSENTIALLY WATERING THEM DOWN 06:59.958 --> 07:00.691 ESSENTIALLY WATERING THEM DOWN AND ERASING THEM WITHIN A MATTER