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FOR. BBC NEWS, KATTY.
>> KAY JOINS. US AND.

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>> KAY JOINS. US AND.
>> THE HOST.

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>> THE HOST.
>> OF WAY TOO.

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>> OF WAY TOO.
>> EARLY.

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>> EARLY.
>> ALI VITALI. JOE IS OFF THIS

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>> ALI VITALI. JOE IS OFF THIS
MORNING.

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MORNING.
>> LET’S DIVE RIGHT IN.

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>> LET’S DIVE RIGHT IN.
>> PRESIDENT TRUMP. YESTERDAY

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>> PRESIDENT TRUMP. YESTERDAY
DEFENDED.

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DEFENDED.
>> THE.

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>> THE.
>> PARDONS HE.

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>> PARDONS HE.
>> ISSUED TO ROUGHLY 1500

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>> ISSUED TO ROUGHLY 1500
JANUARY 6TH RIOTERS.

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JANUARY 6TH RIOTERS.
>> MORE THAN.

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>> MORE THAN.
>> 400 OF.

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>> 400 OF.
>> THE PARDONS.

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>> THE PARDONS.
>> WERE.

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>> WERE.
>> FOR PEOPLE WHO. WERE

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>> FOR PEOPLE WHO. WERE
CONVICTED OF ASSAULTING POLICE

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CONVICTED OF ASSAULTING POLICE
OFFICERS.

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OFFICERS.
>> NBC’S PETER ALEXANDER.

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>> NBC’S PETER ALEXANDER.
>> REPEATEDLY PRESSED.

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>> REPEATEDLY PRESSED.
>> THE.

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>> THE.
>> PRESIDENT.

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>> PRESIDENT.
>> ON THE ISSUE.

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>> ON THE ISSUE.
>> YOU WOULD AGREE THAT IT’S

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>> YOU WOULD AGREE THAT IT’S
NEVER.

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NEVER.
>> ACCEPTABLE TO ASSAULT A

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>> ACCEPTABLE TO ASSAULT A
POLICE OFFICER?

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POLICE OFFICER?
>> SURE.

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>> SURE.
>> SO THEN, IF I.

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>> SO THEN, IF I.
>> CAN AMONG THOSE YOU PARDONED.

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>> CAN AMONG THOSE YOU PARDONED.
>> JAY RODRIGUEZ. HE DROVE.

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>> JAY RODRIGUEZ. HE DROVE.
>> A.

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>> A.
>> STUN GUN INTO THE NECK OF A

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>> STUN GUN INTO THE NECK OF A
D.C. POLICE.

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D.C. POLICE.
>> OFFICER WHO WAS.

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>> OFFICER WHO WAS.
>> ABDUCTED BY THE MOB THAT DAY.

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>> ABDUCTED BY THE MOB THAT DAY.
HE LATER. CONFESSED ON VIDEO.

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HE LATER. CONFESSED ON VIDEO.
>> TO THE FBI.

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>> TO THE FBI.
>> AND PLEADED GUILTY FOR.

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>> AND PLEADED GUILTY FOR.
>> HIS CRIMES.

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>> HIS CRIMES.
>> WHY DOES.

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>> WHY DOES.
>> HE DESERVE.

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>> HE DESERVE.
>> A PARDON?

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>> A PARDON?
>> WELL, I DON’T KNOW. IS IT A

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>> WELL, I DON’T KNOW. IS IT A
PARDON? BECAUSE WE’RE LOOKING AT

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PARDON? BECAUSE WE’RE LOOKING AT
COMMUTES AND WE’RE LOOKING.

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COMMUTES AND WE’RE LOOKING.
>> AT PARDONS. OKAY, WELL.

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>> AT PARDONS. OKAY, WELL.
>> WE’LL TAKE A LOOK AT

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>> WE’LL TAKE A LOOK AT
EVERYTHING, BUT.

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EVERYTHING, BUT.
>> I CAN SAY THIS.

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>> I CAN SAY THIS.
>> MURDERERS TODAY ARE NOT EVEN

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>> MURDERERS TODAY ARE NOT EVEN
CHARGED. YOU HAVE MURDERERS THAT

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CHARGED. YOU HAVE MURDERERS THAT
AREN’T CHARGED.

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AREN’T CHARGED.
>> ALL OVER.

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>> ALL OVER.
>> YOU TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT’S

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>> YOU TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT’S
GOING ON IN PHILADELPHIA.

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GOING ON IN PHILADELPHIA.
>> TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT’S GOING

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>> TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT’S GOING
ON.

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ON.
>> IN LA, WHERE. PEOPLE MURDER

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>> IN LA, WHERE. PEOPLE MURDER
PEOPLE AND THEY DON’T GET

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PEOPLE AND THEY DON’T GET
CHARGED. THESE PEOPLE HAVE.

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CHARGED. THESE PEOPLE HAVE.
>> ALREADY SERVED YEARS IN.

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>> ALREADY SERVED YEARS IN.
>> PRISON. AND THEY’VE SERVED

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>> PRISON. AND THEY’VE SERVED
THEM VICIOUSLY. IT’S A

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THEM VICIOUSLY. IT’S A
DISGUSTING PRISON. IT’S BEEN

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DISGUSTING PRISON. IT’S BEEN
HORRIBLE. IT’S INHUMANE. IT’S

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HORRIBLE. IT’S INHUMANE. IT’S
BEEN.

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BEEN.
>> A TERRIBLE.

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>> A TERRIBLE.
>> TERRIBLE THING.

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>> TERRIBLE THING.
>> MR. PRESIDENT. MR. PRESIDENT,

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>> MR. PRESIDENT. MR. PRESIDENT,
YOU’RE A PRESIDENT WHO HAS LONG

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YOU’RE A PRESIDENT WHO HAS LONG
SAID THAT YOU BACK THE BLUE.

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SAID THAT YOU BACK THE BLUE.
>> BUT AREN’T YOU.

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>> BUT AREN’T YOU.
>> SENDING THE. MESSAGE THAT

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>> SENDING THE. MESSAGE THAT
ASSAULTING.

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ASSAULTING.
>> OFFICERS IS OKAY WITH.

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>> OFFICERS IS OKAY WITH.
>> THESE PARTIES?

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>> THESE PARTIES?
>> NO, THE OPPOSITE. IN FACT.

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>> NO, THE OPPOSITE. IN FACT.
>> I’M GOING.

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>> I’M GOING.
>> TO BE LETTING TWO.

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>> TO BE LETTING TWO.
>> OFFICERS FROM WASHINGTON

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>> OFFICERS FROM WASHINGTON
POLICE, D.C. I BELIEVE THAT FROM

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POLICE, D.C. I BELIEVE THAT FROM
D.C, BUT.

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D.C, BUT.
>> I JUST.

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>> I JUST.
>> APPROVED IT. THEY WERE.

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>> APPROVED IT. THEY WERE.
>> ARRESTED, PUT IN JAIL FOR.

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>> ARRESTED, PUT IN JAIL FOR.
>> FIVE YEARS. BECAUSE THEY WENT

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>> FIVE YEARS. BECAUSE THEY WENT
AFTER AN ILLEGAL. AND I GUESS

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AFTER AN ILLEGAL. AND I GUESS
SOMETHING HAPPENED WHERE

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SOMETHING HAPPENED WHERE
SOMETHING WENT. WRONG. AND THEY

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SOMETHING WENT. WRONG. AND THEY
ARRESTED THE TWO OFFICERS AND.

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ARRESTED THE TWO OFFICERS AND.
PUT THEM IN JAIL FOR GOING AFTER

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PUT THEM IN JAIL FOR GOING AFTER
A CRIMINAL.

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A CRIMINAL.
>> A ROUGH.

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>> A ROUGH.
>> CRIMINAL, BY THE WAY. AND I’M

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>> CRIMINAL, BY THE WAY. AND I’M
ACTUALLY RELEASING. NO, I’M THE

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ACTUALLY RELEASING. NO, I’M THE
FRIEND OF I AM THE FRIEND OF

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FRIEND OF I AM THE FRIEND OF
POLICE MORE. THAN ANY PRESIDENT.

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POLICE MORE. THAN ANY PRESIDENT.
>> THAT’S EVER.

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>> THAT’S EVER.
>> BEEN IN THIS OFFICE.

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>> BEEN IN THIS OFFICE.
>> SO A.

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>> SO A.
>> FACT CHECK.

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>> FACT CHECK.
>> ON THE. PRESIDENT’S STATEMENT

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>> ON THE. PRESIDENT’S STATEMENT
ABOUT THE D.C.

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ABOUT THE D.C.
>> OFFICERS HE SAID.

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>> OFFICERS HE SAID.
>> HE INTENDS TO PARDON.

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>> HE INTENDS TO PARDON.
>> THEY WERE NOT CHASING AN.

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>> THEY WERE NOT CHASING AN.
>> IMMIGRANT WHO WAS IN THE U.S.

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>> IMMIGRANT WHO WAS IN THE U.S.
>> ILLEGALLY.

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>> ILLEGALLY.
>> BACK IN OCTOBER.

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>> BACK IN OCTOBER.
>> OF 2020.

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>> OF 2020.
>> THE OFFICERS WERE.

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>> THE OFFICERS WERE.
>> IN AN UNMARKED CAR WHEN.

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>> IN AN UNMARKED CAR WHEN.
>> THEY CHASED A MAN NAMED CARON

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>> THEY CHASED A MAN NAMED CARON
HILTON.

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HILTON.
>> BROWN.

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>> BROWN.
>> WHO. WAS ON A MOPED.

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>> WHO. WAS ON A MOPED.
>> HILTON BROWN.

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>> HILTON BROWN.
>> CRASHED THE MOPED AND DIED.

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>> CRASHED THE MOPED AND DIED.
>> DURING THE.

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>> DURING THE.
>> PURSUIT THAT AUTHORITIES.

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>> PURSUIT THAT AUTHORITIES.
>> SAID VIOLATED POLICE POLICY.

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>> SAID VIOLATED POLICE POLICY.
>> AND WAS ILLEGALLY RECKLESS.

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>> AND WAS ILLEGALLY RECKLESS.
AUTHORITIES ALSO SAID BOTH

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AUTHORITIES ALSO SAID BOTH
OFFICERS LATER. LIED ABOUT THE

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OFFICERS LATER. LIED ABOUT THE
INCIDENT.

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INCIDENT.
>> TO.

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>> TO.
>> FORESTALL A. POTENTIAL

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>> FORESTALL A. POTENTIAL
FEDERAL CIVIL RIGHTS

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FEDERAL CIVIL RIGHTS
INVESTIGATION. DESPITE THEIR

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INVESTIGATION. DESPITE THEIR
CONVICTIONS, BOTH.

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CONVICTIONS, BOTH.
>> OFFICERS WERE ALLOWED TO.

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>> OFFICERS WERE ALLOWED TO.
>> GO FREE PENDING.

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>> GO FREE PENDING.
>> THE OUTCOME.

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>> THE OUTCOME.
>> OF THEIR APPEALS.

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>> OF THEIR APPEALS.
>> WHICH ARE STILL ONGOING. SO

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>> WHICH ARE STILL ONGOING. SO
THERE’S THAT. AND WILLIE, WE’RE

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THERE’S THAT. AND WILLIE, WE’RE
LEARNING MORE ALSO ABOUT. WHO

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LEARNING MORE ALSO ABOUT. WHO
ELSE WHO.

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ELSE WHO.
>> WERE RELEASED.

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>> WERE RELEASED.
>> YEAH.

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>> YEAH.
>> A THIN DEFENSE.

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>> A THIN DEFENSE.
>> IT SHOULD BE POINTED OUT BY.

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>> IT SHOULD BE POINTED OUT BY.
>> PRESIDENT TRUMP.

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>> PRESIDENT TRUMP.
>> OF WHAT.

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>> OF WHAT.
>> HE.

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>> HE.
>> DID UNDER.

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>> DID UNDER.
>> QUESTIONING FROM PETER

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>> QUESTIONING FROM PETER
ALEXANDER AND DIDN’T KNOW IF

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ALEXANDER AND DIDN’T KNOW IF
HE’D.

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HE’D.
>> COMMUTED OR.

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>> COMMUTED OR.
>> PARDONED. AND THEN, AS YOU

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>> PARDONED. AND THEN, AS YOU
SAID, HAD SOME.

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SAID, HAD SOME.
>> BAD INFORMATION IN HIS

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>> BAD INFORMATION IN HIS
DEFENSE THERE, 211. INMATES IN

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DEFENSE THERE, 211. INMATES IN
FEDERA CUSTODY FOR THEIR

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FEDERA CUSTODY FOR THEIR
JANUARY 6TH. CONVICTIONS WERE

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JANUARY 6TH. CONVICTIONS WERE
FREED.

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FREED.
>> YESTERDAY MORNING. VIDEO

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>> YESTERDAY MORNING. VIDEO
TAKEN BY.

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TAKEN BY.
>> NBC NEWS. SHOWS SOME OF THE

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>> NBC NEWS. SHOWS SOME OF THE
RIOTERS.

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RIOTERS.
>> LEAVING A.

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>> LEAVING A.
>> PRISON IN ORLANDO. THEY

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>> PRISON IN ORLANDO. THEY
SIGNED.

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SIGNED.
>> A FLAG.

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>> A FLAG.
>> THEY SAY THEY WANT TO SEND TO

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>> THEY SAY THEY WANT TO SEND TO
PRESIDENT TRUMP.

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PRESIDENT TRUMP.
>> MANY OF THOSE.

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>> MANY OF THOSE.
>> WHO WERE.

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>> WHO WERE.
>> PARDONED HAD.

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>> PARDONED HAD.
>> COMMITTED VIOLENT ACTS.

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>> COMMITTED VIOLENT ACTS.
>> ON JANUARY 6TH.

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>> ON JANUARY 6TH.
>> THAT INCLUDES.

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>> THAT INCLUDES.
>> TYLER BRADLEY DIKES.

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>> TYLER BRADLEY DIKES.
>> OF SOUTH CAROLINA.

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>> OF SOUTH CAROLINA.
>> HE WAS. SENTENCED TO 57.

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>> HE WAS. SENTENCED TO 57.
>> MONTHS AFTER.

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>> MONTHS AFTER.
>> HE STOLE A POLICE RIOT.

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>> HE STOLE A POLICE RIOT.
SHIELD AND USED.

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SHIELD AND USED.
>> IT AGAINST OFFICERS. ANDREW

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>> IT AGAINST OFFICERS. ANDREW
TOCKEY HAD A.

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TOCKEY HAD A.
>> SIX YEAR SENTENCE.

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>> SIX YEAR SENTENCE.
>> FOR ASSAULTING OFFICERS.

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>> FOR ASSAULTING OFFICERS.
>> WITH.

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>> WITH.
>> BEAR SPRAY AND.

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>> BEAR SPRAY AND.
>> A METAL WHIP. PROSECUTORS SAY

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>> A METAL WHIP. PROSECUTORS SAY
DAVID DEMPSEY WAS ONE OF THE

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DAVID DEMPSEY WAS ONE OF THE
MOST.

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MOST.
>> VIOLENT RIOTERS AND RECEIVED

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>> VIOLENT RIOTERS AND RECEIVED
ONE OF THE LONGEST SENTENCES 20

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ONE OF THE LONGEST SENTENCES 20
YEARS IN PRISON.

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YEARS IN PRISON.
>> PROSECUTORS SAY. DEMPSEY

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>> PROSECUTORS SAY. DEMPSEY
VICIOUSLY.

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VICIOUSLY.
>> ASSAULTED OFFICERS.

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>> ASSAULTED OFFICERS.
>> WHO WERE DEFENDING THE

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>> WHO WERE DEFENDING THE
TUNNEL.

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TUNNEL.
>> OUTSIDE OF THE CAPITOL.

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>> OUTSIDE OF THE CAPITOL.
>> HE ATTACKED THEM WITH PEPPER.

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>> HE ATTACKED THEM WITH PEPPER.
>> SPRAY.

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>> SPRAY.
>> BROKEN PIECES OF FURNITURE

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>> BROKEN PIECES OF FURNITURE
AND ANYTHING ELSE HE COULD GET

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AND ANYTHING ELSE HE COULD GET
HIS HANDS ON TO USE. AS A

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HIS HANDS ON TO USE. AS A
WEAPON. AND HE IS.

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WEAPON. AND HE IS.
>> FREE THIS MORNING. AND THEN

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>> FREE THIS MORNING. AND THEN
THERE ARE THE.

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THERE ARE THE.
>> TWO PEOPLE WHO PLAYED.

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>> TWO PEOPLE WHO PLAYED.
>> CENTRAL ROLES.

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>> CENTRAL ROLES.
>> IN PLANNING THE CAPITOL

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>> IN PLANNING THE CAPITOL
ATTACK OF JANUARY 6TH. PROUD

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ATTACK OF JANUARY 6TH. PROUD
BOYS. LEADER ENRIQUE TARRIO AND

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BOYS. LEADER ENRIQUE TARRIO AND
THE FOUNDER OF THE OATH KEEPERS.

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RHODES WAS SUPPOSED TO BE.
>> IN PRISON FOR 18 YEARS.

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>> IN PRISON FOR 18 YEARS.
>> RHODES HAD THIS TO SAY WHEN

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>> RHODES HAD THIS TO SAY WHEN
HE WAS RELEASED YESTERDAY.

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HE WAS RELEASED YESTERDAY.
>> I THINK TRUMP DID THE RIGHT

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>> I THINK TRUMP DID THE RIGHT
THING. PRESIDENT TRUMP DID THE

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THING. PRESIDENT TRUMP DID THE
RIGHT THING BY LETTING THESE

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RIGHT THING BY LETTING THESE
GUYS OUT AND PARTYING THEM,

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GUYS OUT AND PARTYING THEM,
BECAUSE THEY DID NOT GET A FAIR

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BECAUSE THEY DID NOT GET A FAIR
TRIAL. THAT’S NOT ON HIM. THAT’S

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TRIAL. THAT’S NOT ON HIM. THAT’S
ON THE DOJ. YOU WANT A FAIR

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ON THE DOJ. YOU WANT A FAIR
SYSTEM AND RUN FAIR TRIALS.

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SYSTEM AND RUN FAIR TRIALS.
THAT’S WHAT’S ONE THING. IF YOU

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THAT’S WHAT’S ONE THING. IF YOU
DON’T DO THAT, DON’T BE

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DON’T DO THAT, DON’T BE
SURPRISED IF YOU DON’T ENFORCE

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SURPRISED IF YOU DON’T ENFORCE
THE PRESUMPTION OF INNOCENCE.

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THE PRESUMPTION OF INNOCENCE.
>> SO THEN.

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>> SO THEN.
>> THERE’S THE REACTION FROM

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>> THERE’S THE REACTION FROM
LAWMAKERS.

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LAWMAKERS.
>> ON CAPITOL.

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>> ON CAPITOL.
>> HILL TO THE BLANKET.

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>> HILL TO THE BLANKET.
>> PARDONS OF JANUARY 6TH

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>> PARDONS OF JANUARY 6TH
DEFENDANTS. THE SOMEWHAT MIXED

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DEFENDANTS. THE SOMEWHAT MIXED
SOME.

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SOME.
>> GOP MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE

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>> GOP MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE
FREEDOM CAUCUS, INCLUDING ANDY.

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FREEDOM CAUCUS, INCLUDING ANDY.
>> BIGGS.

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>> BIGGS.
>> CHIP ROY.

05:08.812 --> 05:10.036
>> CHIP ROY.
>> AND LAUREN.

05:10.047 --> 05:12.448
>> AND LAUREN.
>> BOEBERT. VISITED THE DC JAIL

05:12.482 --> 05:15.517
>> BOEBERT. VISITED THE DC JAIL
YESTERDAY IN A SIGN OF SUPPORT.

05:15.519 --> 05:16.209
YESTERDAY IN A SIGN OF SUPPORT.
>> BOEBERT SAID.

05:16.220 --> 05:17.320
>> BOEBERT SAID.
>> THOSE WHO WERE PARDONED.

05:17.321 --> 05:18.044
>> THOSE WHO WERE PARDONED.
>> WERE NOT BEING.

05:18.055 --> 05:19.355
>> WERE NOT BEING.
>> RELEASED FAST ENOUGH.

05:19.389 --> 05:20.746
>> RELEASED FAST ENOUGH.
>> SHE ALSO INVITED.

05:20.757 --> 05:22.558
>> SHE ALSO INVITED.
>> ALL OF THE JANUARY 6TH

05:22.593 --> 05:22.816
>> ALL OF THE JANUARY 6TH
RIOTERS.

05:22.827 --> 05:23.416
RIOTERS.
>> IN CUSTODY.

05:23.427 --> 05:24.527
>> IN CUSTODY.
>> AT THE DC.

05:24.528 --> 05:26.352
>> AT THE DC.
>> JAIL ON A GUIDED. TOUR OF.

05:26.363 --> 05:27.764
>> JAIL ON A GUIDED. TOUR OF.
>> THE CAPITOL AFTER.

05:27.798 --> 05:29.055
>> THE CAPITOL AFTER.
>> THEIR RELEASE.

05:29.066 --> 05:29.466
>> THEIR RELEASE.
>> MEANWHILE.

05:29.500 --> 05:31.291
>> MEANWHILE.
>> SOME REPUBLICAN SENATORS

05:31.302 --> 05:31.557
>> SOME REPUBLICAN SENATORS
DEFENDED.

05:31.568 --> 05:32.402
DEFENDED.
>> THE PARDON.

05:32.436 --> 05:33.326
>> THE PARDON.
>> WHILE OTHERS.

05:33.337 --> 05:35.261
>> WHILE OTHERS.
>> TRIED TO. EXPLAIN AWAY

05:35.272 --> 05:36.973
>> TRIED TO. EXPLAIN AWAY
TRUMP’S DECISION.

05:37.007 --> 05:38.531
TRUMP’S DECISION.
>> ARE YOU FEELING ABOUT SOME.

05:38.542 --> 05:39.542
>> ARE YOU FEELING ABOUT SOME.
>> OF THE TRUMP’S.

05:39.543 --> 05:41.210
>> OF THE TRUMP’S.
>> EXECUTIVE ACTIONS.

05:41.211 --> 05:41.834
>> EXECUTIVE ACTIONS.
>> PARTICULARLY SPECIFICALLY ON

05:41.845 --> 05:42.101
>> PARTICULARLY SPECIFICALLY ON
PARDONING?

05:42.112 --> 05:42.768
PARDONING?
>> LOVE THEM.

05:42.779 --> 05:43.336
>> LOVE THEM.
>> WHAT ABOUT.

05:43.347 --> 05:44.280
>> WHAT ABOUT.
>> THE PARDON?

05:44.315 --> 05:45.572
>> THE PARDON?
>> YEAH, I THINK THEY WERE

05:45.583 --> 05:46.015
>> YEAH, I THINK THEY WERE
ABSOLUTELY JUSTIFIED.

05:46.050 --> 05:47.107
ABSOLUTELY JUSTIFIED.
>> AGAIN, I DON’T KNOW ALL THE

05:47.118 --> 05:47.316
>> AGAIN, I DON’T KNOW ALL THE
CASES.

05:47.318 --> 05:48.909
CASES.
>> I CERTAINLY DON’T.

05:48.920 --> 05:49.876
>> I CERTAINLY DON’T.
>> WANT TO PARDON.

05:49.887 --> 05:50.987
>> WANT TO PARDON.
>> ANY VIOLENT.

05:51.021 --> 05:51.911
>> ANY VIOLENT.
>> ACTORS. BUT THERE WAS A REAL

05:51.922 --> 05:52.221
>> ACTORS. BUT THERE WAS A REAL
MISCARRIAGE.

05:52.223 --> 05:52.646
MISCARRIAGE.
>> OF JUSTICE HERE.

05:52.657 --> 05:54.247
>> OF JUSTICE HERE.
>> SO I TOTALLY SUPPORT.

05:54.258 --> 05:55.215
>> SO I TOTALLY SUPPORT.
>> FOR VIOLENT OFFENDERS.

05:55.226 --> 05:56.483
>> FOR VIOLENT OFFENDERS.
>> ARE YOU COMFORTABLE.

05:56.494 --> 05:56.793
>> ARE YOU COMFORTABLE.
>> WITH THAT?

05:56.827 --> 05:58.251
>> WITH THAT?
>> I HAVEN’T SEEN THE DETAILS.

05:58.262 --> 05:58.785
>> I HAVEN’T SEEN THE DETAILS.
>> BUT I THINK.

05:58.796 --> 06:00.197
>> BUT I THINK.
>> A LOT OF THOSE.

06:00.231 --> 06:01.021
>> A LOT OF THOSE.
>> PARTS.

06:01.032 --> 06:01.430
>> PARTS.
>> ARE DEFINITELY.

06:01.432 --> 06:01.831
>> ARE DEFINITELY.
>> WELL DESERVED.

06:01.832 --> 06:02.088
>> WELL DESERVED.
>> LISTEN.

06:02.099 --> 06:04.234
>> LISTEN.
>> THIS IS HIM. HE SAID HE WAS

06:04.268 --> 06:04.834
>> THIS IS HIM. HE SAID HE WAS
GOING TO DO THIS DURING THE

06:04.835 --> 06:05.692
GOING TO DO THIS DURING THE
CAMPAIGN AND HE DID.

06:05.703 --> 06:05.968
CAMPAIGN AND HE DID.
>> EXACTLY.

06:05.970 --> 06:07.237
>> EXACTLY.
>> WHAT ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH

06:07.271 --> 06:07.427
>> WHAT ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH
IT?

06:07.438 --> 06:07.737
IT?
>> WELL, IF.

06:07.738 --> 06:09.996
>> WELL, IF.
>> YOU’RE ASKING ME.

06:10.007 --> 06:10.373
>> YOU’RE ASKING ME.
>> IF IT’S WHAT.

06:10.374 --> 06:10.840
>> IF IT’S WHAT.
>> I WOULD HAVE DONE.

06:10.875 --> 06:12.666
>> I WOULD HAVE DONE.
>> WHAT I HAVE SAID IS, IS THAT

06:12.677 --> 06:12.876
>> WHAT I HAVE SAID IS, IS THAT
FOLKS.

06:12.877 --> 06:13.977
FOLKS.
>> WHO COMMITTED.

06:13.978 --> 06:14.978
>> WHO COMMITTED.
>> VIOLENCE.

06:14.979 --> 06:15.202
>> VIOLENCE.
>> WHAT.

06:15.213 --> 06:15.669
>> WHAT.
>> SIGNAL DO YOU THINK.

06:15.680 --> 06:15.979
>> SIGNAL DO YOU THINK.
>> THAT IS.

06:15.980 --> 06:17.047
>> THAT IS.
>> THAT.

06:17.081 --> 06:17.280
>> THAT.
>> IT.

06:17.281 --> 06:18.138
>> IT.
>> KEEPS SKIPPING.

06:18.149 --> 06:18.548
>> KEEPS SKIPPING.
>> ON THE SYSTEM?

06:18.549 --> 06:19.773
>> ON THE SYSTEM?
>> ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH

06:19.784 --> 06:20.107
>> ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH
THESE PARDONS.

06:20.118 --> 06:21.675
THESE PARDONS.
>> FOR JANUARY 6TH?

06:21.686 --> 06:23.053
>> FOR JANUARY 6TH?
>> WELL, AS I SAID, SORRY,

06:23.087 --> 06:23.286
>> WELL, AS I SAID, SORRY,
SORRY.

06:23.287 --> 06:25.311
SORRY.
>> AS I’VE SAID BEFORE.

06:25.322 --> 06:26.689
>> AS I’VE SAID BEFORE.
>> WE’RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THE

06:26.691 --> 06:27.658
>> WE’RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THE
NEXT FOUR.

06:27.692 --> 06:28.182
NEXT FOUR.
>> YEARS.

06:28.193 --> 06:29.449
>> YEARS.
>> NOT THE LAST FOUR.

06:29.460 --> 06:30.116
>> NOT THE LAST FOUR.
>> WHAT MESSAGE.

06:30.127 --> 06:31.494
>> WHAT MESSAGE.
>> DOES THIS SEND TO POLICE

06:31.496 --> 06:32.363
>> DOES THIS SEND TO POLICE
OFFICERS WHO WERE THERE THAT

06:32.396 --> 06:33.419
OFFICERS WHO WERE THERE THAT
DAY? IF YOU’RE.

06:33.430 --> 06:33.730
DAY? IF YOU’RE.
>> THE PARTY.

06:33.764 --> 06:35.121
>> THE PARTY.
>> OF LAW AND ORDER, WHAT ABOUT

06:35.132 --> 06:36.166
>> OF LAW AND ORDER, WHAT ABOUT
THE OFFICE? WHAT ABOUT THE

06:36.200 --> 06:36.866
THE OFFICE? WHAT ABOUT THE
PEOPLE THAT WERE.

06:36.868 --> 06:37.968
PEOPLE THAT WERE.
>> ATTACKED, THE.

06:37.969 --> 06:38.592
>> ATTACKED, THE.
>> OFFICERS THAT WERE ATTACKED.

06:38.603 --> 06:40.861
>> OFFICERS THAT WERE ATTACKED.
>> THAT DAY? YOU GOT TO MOVE THE

06:40.872 --> 06:42.096
>> THAT DAY? YOU GOT TO MOVE THE
MIC. BIDEN.

06:42.107 --> 06:43.106
MIC. BIDEN.
>> JUST TO.

06:43.107 --> 06:44.164
>> JUST TO.
>> RECAP, THAT WAS.

06:44.175 --> 06:45.499
>> RECAP, THAT WAS.
>> SENATOR RON JOHNSON.

06:45.510 --> 06:46.467
>> SENATOR RON JOHNSON.
>> MOSTLY SUPPORTIVE.

06:46.478 --> 06:48.435
>> MOSTLY SUPPORTIVE.
>> OF PARDONS, SENATOR JOSH

06:48.446 --> 06:50.080
>> OF PARDONS, SENATOR JOSH
HAWLEY SAYING HE WOULDN’T HAVE

06:50.114 --> 06:51.314
HAWLEY SAYING HE WOULDN’T HAVE
PARDONED RIOTERS.

06:51.316 --> 06:52.273
PARDONED RIOTERS.
>> WHO COMMITTED.

06:52.284 --> 06:53.316
>> WHO COMMITTED.
>> VIOLENT ACTS.

06:53.318 --> 06:54.241
>> VIOLENT ACTS.
>> AND SENATE.

06:54.252 --> 06:55.051
>> AND SENATE.
>> MAJORITY LEADER JOHN.

06:55.086 --> 06:56.577
>> MAJORITY LEADER JOHN.
>> THUNE DEFLECTING. QUESTIONS

06:56.588 --> 06:58.145
>> THUNE DEFLECTING. QUESTIONS
FROM REPORTERS.

06:58.156 --> 06:58.955
FROM REPORTERS.
>> COMPARE THAT.

06:58.990 --> 06:59.680
>> COMPARE THAT.
>> TO OTHER.

06:59.691 --> 07:01.649
>> TO OTHER.
>> GOP SENATORS YESTERDAY WHO.

07:01.660 --> 07:02.292
>> GOP SENATORS YESTERDAY WHO.
>> SPOKE OUT.

07:02.327 --> 07:04.728
>> SPOKE OUT.
>> AGAINST THE PARDONS.

07:04.729 --> 07:05.852
>> AGAINST THE PARDONS.
>> PEOPLE WHO.

07:05.863 --> 07:09.132
>> PEOPLE WHO.
>> COMMITTED VIOLENT CRIMES ON.

07:09.134 --> 07:10.701
>> COMMITTED VIOLENT CRIMES ON.
>> JANUARY 6TH OF.

07:10.735 --> 07:12.102
>> JANUARY 6TH OF.
>> 2021 SHOULD NOT.

07:12.103 --> 07:13.203
>> 2021 SHOULD NOT.
>> BE PARDONED.

07:13.204 --> 07:15.729
>> BE PARDONED.
>> AND I THINK THIS IS.

07:15.740 --> 07:17.464
>> AND I THINK THIS IS.
>> A TERRIBLE DAY.

07:17.475 --> 07:19.209
>> A TERRIBLE DAY.
>> FOR OUR JUSTICE DEPARTMENT.

07:19.244 --> 07:21.736
>> FOR OUR JUSTICE DEPARTMENT.
>> IT’S WRONG TO ASSAULT

07:21.747 --> 07:22.512
>> IT’S WRONG TO ASSAULT
ANYBODY, BUT CERTAINLY TO

07:22.514 --> 07:24.271
ANYBODY, BUT CERTAINLY TO
ASSAULT AN OFFICER. AND I’M A

07:24.282 --> 07:26.140
ASSAULT AN OFFICER. AND I’M A
BIG FAN OF THE LITTLE GUY.

07:26.151 --> 07:27.284
BIG FAN OF THE LITTLE GUY.
>> I’M DISAPPOINTED.

07:27.319 --> 07:28.743
>> I’M DISAPPOINTED.
>> TO SEE THAT.

07:28.754 --> 07:31.321
>> TO SEE THAT.
>> AND I. DO AGREE.

07:31.323 --> 07:33.014
>> AND I. DO AGREE.
>> WITH THE MESSAGE THAT SAID.

07:33.025 --> 07:34.882
>> WITH THE MESSAGE THAT SAID.
>> TO THESE.

07:34.893 --> 07:35.826
>> TO THESE.
>> GREAT MEN AND WOMEN.

07:35.860 --> 07:37.527
>> GREAT MEN AND WOMEN.
>> THAT STOOD BY US, AM I

07:37.529 --> 07:39.153
>> THAT STOOD BY US, AM I
CONCERNED ABOUT IT? I MEAN, IT’S

07:39.164 --> 07:41.756
CONCERNED ABOUT IT? I MEAN, IT’S
AGAIN, IT’S NOT IDEAL, BUT I’M

07:41.767 --> 07:42.766
AGAIN, IT’S NOT IDEAL, BUT I’M
NOT OVERLY CONCERNED ABOUT IT

07:42.767 --> 07:44.825
NOT OVERLY CONCERNED ABOUT IT
EITHER. I THINK THAT THE GIFT IS

07:44.836 --> 07:47.528
EITHER. I THINK THAT THE GIFT IS
THAT IT’S ALL BEHIND US NOW AND

07:47.539 --> 07:48.863
THAT IT’S ALL BEHIND US NOW AND
WE CAN STOP TALKING ABOUT IT.

07:48.874 --> 07:49.340
WE CAN STOP TALKING ABOUT IT.
>> THAT’S WHAT.

07:49.341 --> 07:50.341
>> THAT’S WHAT.
>> I’M TRYING TO DO.

07:50.342 --> 07:52.476
>> I’M TRYING TO DO.
>> IS FIGURE OUT THERE ARE SOME

07:52.477 --> 07:52.900
>> IS FIGURE OUT THERE ARE SOME
COMMUTATIONS TO ME.

07:52.911 --> 07:54.445
COMMUTATIONS TO ME.
>> I JUST CAN’T AGREE. I’M ABOUT

07:54.479 --> 07:54.902
>> I JUST CAN’T AGREE. I’M ABOUT
TO FILE.

07:54.913 --> 07:55.570
TO FILE.
>> TWO BILLS THAT.

07:55.581 --> 07:56.914
>> TWO BILLS THAT.
>> WILL INCREASE.

07:56.948 --> 07:57.347
>> WILL INCREASE.
>> THE PENALTIES.

07:57.349 --> 07:57.605
>> THE PENALTIES.
>> UP TO.

07:57.616 --> 07:59.149
>> UP TO.
>> AND INCLUDING THE DEATH

07:59.184 --> 08:00.241
>> AND INCLUDING THE DEATH
PENALTY FOR THE MURDER OF A.

08:00.252 --> 08:01.352
PENALTY FOR THE MURDER OF A.
>> POLICE OFFICER AND.

08:01.353 --> 08:02.753
>> POLICE OFFICER AND.
>> INCREASING THE PENALTIES AND

08:02.754 --> 08:03.210
>> INCREASING THE PENALTIES AND
CREATING FEDERAL.

08:03.221 --> 08:04.288
CREATING FEDERAL.
>> CRIMES FOR ASSAULTING A

08:04.289 --> 08:05.356
>> CRIMES FOR ASSAULTING A
POLICE OFFICER. THAT SHOULD GIVE

08:05.390 --> 08:06.390
POLICE OFFICER. THAT SHOULD GIVE
YOU EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW

08:06.391 --> 08:09.617
YOU EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW
ABOUT MY POSITION. LOOK, AT IT.

08:09.628 --> 08:12.564
ABOUT MY POSITION. LOOK, AT IT.
IS IT’S IT WAS. SURPRISING TO ME

08:12.598 --> 08:14.522
IS IT’S IT WAS. SURPRISING TO ME
THAT IT WAS A BLANKET. PARDON?

08:14.533 --> 08:15.065
THAT IT WAS A BLANKET. PARDON?
NOW I’M GOING THROUGH THE

08:15.100 --> 08:16.157
NOW I’M GOING THROUGH THE
DETAILS.

08:16.168 --> 08:16.901
DETAILS.
>> AND FORMER.

08:16.902 --> 08:18.426
>> AND FORMER.
>> SENATE MAJORITY LEADER MITCH

08:18.437 --> 08:20.094
>> SENATE MAJORITY LEADER MITCH
MCCONNELL TOLD SEMAFOR

08:20.105 --> 08:21.238
MCCONNELL TOLD SEMAFOR
YESTERDAY, QUOTE, NO ONE.

08:21.273 --> 08:22.930
YESTERDAY, QUOTE, NO ONE.
>> SHOULD EXCUSE. VIOLENCE AND.

08:22.941 --> 08:23.798
>> SHOULD EXCUSE. VIOLENCE AND.
>> PARTICULARLY VIOLENCE.

08:23.809 --> 08:25.376
>> PARTICULARLY VIOLENCE.
>> AGAINST POLICE OFFICERS.

08:25.410 --> 08:26.233
>> AGAINST POLICE OFFICERS.
>> SO JONATHAN.

08:26.244 --> 08:27.611
>> SO JONATHAN.
>> LEMIRE, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY IN.

08:27.613 --> 08:28.847
>> LEMIRE, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY IN.
>> YOUR BOOK, YOU.

08:28.881 --> 08:31.673
>> YOUR BOOK, YOU.
>> COVERED THE BIG LIE. AND ALL

08:31.684 --> 08:33.417
>> COVERED THE BIG LIE. AND ALL
THAT TRANSPIRED.

08:33.419 --> 08:34.786
THAT TRANSPIRED.
>> THESE PARDONS.

08:34.787 --> 08:36.678
>> THESE PARDONS.
>> SEEM TO BE IN.

08:36.689 --> 08:37.722
>> SEEM TO BE IN.
>> SOME WAYS, YOU COULD.

08:37.723 --> 08:37.979
>> SOME WAYS, YOU COULD.
>> ARGUE.

08:37.990 --> 08:38.680
>> ARGUE.
>> THE WILL.

08:38.691 --> 08:40.091
>> THE WILL.
>> OF THE PEOPLE.

08:40.092 --> 08:41.316
>> OF THE PEOPLE.
>> 2025 TRUMP CAMPAIGNED.

08:41.327 --> 08:42.184
>> 2025 TRUMP CAMPAIGNED.
>> ON THIS. THIS IS.

08:42.195 --> 08:44.028
>> ON THIS. THIS IS.
>> NO SURPRISE. NOBODY SHOULD.

08:44.029 --> 08:44.952
>> NO SURPRISE. NOBODY SHOULD.
>> BE SHOCKED.

08:44.963 --> 08:46.521
>> BE SHOCKED.
>> IF ANYONE IS SHOCKED. THEY

08:46.532 --> 08:48.166
>> IF ANYONE IS SHOCKED. THEY
WERE NOT LISTENING.

08:48.200 --> 08:49.333
WERE NOT LISTENING.
>> HAVING SAID THAT, THERE’S

08:49.335 --> 08:49.534
>> HAVING SAID THAT, THERE’S
SOME.

08:49.535 --> 08:51.026
SOME.
>> DIFFERENCES HERE.

08:51.037 --> 08:51.959
>> DIFFERENCES HERE.
>> YOU HEARD, I. THINK IT WAS

08:51.970 --> 08:53.271
>> YOU HEARD, I. THINK IT WAS
SENATOR JOHN THUNE SAYING, LOOK

08:53.305 --> 08:55.439
SENATOR JOHN THUNE SAYING, LOOK
AT. BIDEN’S PARDONS OR

08:55.441 --> 08:56.908
AT. BIDEN’S PARDONS OR
SOMETHING. SO BIDEN DID.

08:56.909 --> 08:58.309
SOMETHING. SO BIDEN DID.
>> PARDON HIS FAMILY, AND THAT

08:58.310 --> 09:00.168
>> PARDON HIS FAMILY, AND THAT
IS A LEGITIMATE CONVERSATION TO

09:00.179 --> 09:02.314
IS A LEGITIMATE CONVERSATION TO
HAVE. I THINK THAT’S THE GRAY

09:02.348 --> 09:02.914
HAVE. I THINK THAT’S THE GRAY
AREA. SOME WOULD ARGUE THAT

09:02.915 --> 09:03.114
AREA. SOME WOULD ARGUE THAT
SETS.

09:03.115 --> 09:04.315
SETS.
>> UP A.

09:04.316 --> 09:05.316
>> UP A.
>> REALLY BAD PRECEDENT.

09:05.317 --> 09:05.616
>> REALLY BAD PRECEDENT.
>> THEY CAN.

09:05.618 --> 09:07.018
>> THEY CAN.
>> YOU CAN.

09:07.019 --> 09:08.152
>> YOU CAN.
>> DEFINITELY ARGUE THERE IS A

09:08.154 --> 09:10.278
>> DEFINITELY ARGUE THERE IS A
LOT OF CRITICISM YOU COULD PUT.

09:10.289 --> 09:10.789
LOT OF CRITICISM YOU COULD PUT.
>> ON.

09:10.823 --> 09:12.047
>> ON.
>> THOSE ACTIONS, OR YOU.

09:12.058 --> 09:13.282
>> THOSE ACTIONS, OR YOU.
>> COULD ALSO SEE.

09:13.293 --> 09:15.594
>> COULD ALSO SEE.
>> THE WORLD, PERHAPS HOW THEY

09:15.628 --> 09:16.852
>> THE WORLD, PERHAPS HOW THEY
WERE LOOKING AT WHAT WAS COMING

09:16.863 --> 09:19.554
WERE LOOKING AT WHAT WAS COMING
AT THEM. THAT’S ONE

09:19.565 --> 09:20.965
AT THEM. THAT’S ONE
CONVERSATION. BUT THE OTHER ONE.

09:20.967 --> 09:21.733
CONVERSATION. BUT THE OTHER ONE.
>> IS ABOUT.

09:21.734 --> 09:23.191
>> IS ABOUT.
>> ASSAULTING POLICE OFFICERS.

09:23.202 --> 09:24.236
>> ASSAULTING POLICE OFFICERS.
THE OTHER ONE IS ABOUT

09:24.270 --> 09:25.894
THE OTHER ONE IS ABOUT
COMMITTING ACTS OF VIOLENCE

09:25.905 --> 09:26.971
COMMITTING ACTS OF VIOLENCE
AGAINST OUR CAPITOL.

09:26.973 --> 09:28.106
AGAINST OUR CAPITOL.
>> THE PEOPLE WHO WORK.

09:28.140 --> 09:28.463
>> THE PEOPLE WHO WORK.
>> THERE.

09:28.474 --> 09:29.597
>> THERE.
>> OUR VICE.

09:29.608 --> 09:31.409
>> OUR VICE.
>> PRESIDENT, OUR SPEAKER OF THE

09:31.444 --> 09:32.067
>> PRESIDENT, OUR SPEAKER OF THE
HOUSE.

09:32.078 --> 09:34.403
HOUSE.
>> ASSAULTING COPS.

09:34.414 --> 09:35.971
>> ASSAULTING COPS.
>> VIDEO OF IT.

09:35.982 --> 09:37.082
>> VIDEO OF IT.
>> AND THERE.

09:37.083 --> 09:39.017
>> AND THERE.
>> THERE’S A CLEAR DIFFERENCE.

09:39.051 --> 09:42.911
>> THERE’S A CLEAR DIFFERENCE.
JOE BIDEN. TO RESPOND TO SENATOR

09:42.922 --> 09:44.480
JOE BIDEN. TO RESPOND TO SENATOR
THUNE. HE PARDONED.

09:44.491 --> 09:45.981
THUNE. HE PARDONED.
>> THE PEOPLE WHO DEFENDED.

09:45.992 --> 09:49.094
>> THE PEOPLE WHO DEFENDED.
>> THE CAPITOL, AND DONALD TRUMP

09:49.095 --> 09:49.361
>> THE CAPITOL, AND DONALD TRUMP
PARDONED.

09:49.395 --> 09:49.618
PARDONED.
>> THE.

09:49.629 --> 09:51.930
>> THE.
>> PEOPLE WHO ASSAULTED THE

09:51.964 --> 09:52.964
>> PEOPLE WHO ASSAULTED THE
CAPITOL AND THE PEOPLE IN IT.

09:52.965 --> 09:54.098
CAPITOL AND THE PEOPLE IN IT.
AND THERE’S A BIG DIFFERENCE

09:54.100 --> 09:55.958
AND THERE’S A BIG DIFFERENCE
THERE. AND I DON’T KNOW IF THIS

09:55.969 --> 09:58.494
THERE. AND I DON’T KNOW IF THIS
IS WHAT PEOPLE WANTED, BUT THIS

09:58.505 --> 09:59.504
IS WHAT PEOPLE WANTED, BUT THIS
IS THE WILL. OF THE PEOPLE.

09:59.505 --> 10:00.362
IS THE WILL. OF THE PEOPLE.
>> YEAH, THAT COULDN’T.

10:00.373 --> 10:00.572
>> YEAH, THAT COULDN’T.
>> BE.

10:00.573 --> 10:01.430
>> BE.
>> A MORE THE OUTCOME.

10:01.441 --> 10:02.240
>> A MORE THE OUTCOME.
>> THAT COULDN’T.

10:02.275 --> 10:03.475
>> THAT COULDN’T.
>> BE A STARKER.

10:03.476 --> 10:03.899
>> BE A STARKER.
>> CONTRAST THERE.

10:03.910 --> 10:05.234
>> CONTRAST THERE.
>> BETWEEN WHO PRESIDENT BIDEN

10:05.245 --> 10:07.002
>> BETWEEN WHO PRESIDENT BIDEN
PARDONED, THOSE WHO DEFENDED THE

10:07.013 --> 10:07.503
PARDONED, THOSE WHO DEFENDED THE
CAPITOL AND THOSE.

10:07.514 --> 10:08.480
CAPITOL AND THOSE.
>> WHO.

10:08.514 --> 10:09.914
>> WHO.
>> INVESTIGATED THE ATTACKS,

10:09.916 --> 10:11.016
>> INVESTIGATED THE ATTACKS,
VERSUS PRESIDENT TRUMP, WHO IS

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VERSUS PRESIDENT TRUMP, WHO IS
NOW PARDONED, THOSE WHO

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NOW PARDONED, THOSE WHO
COMMITTED.

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COMMITTED.
>> THESE ATTACKS.

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>> THESE ATTACKS.
>> YOU KNOW, JANUARY 6TH WAS, OF

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>> YOU KNOW, JANUARY 6TH WAS, OF
COURSE, THE CULMINATION.

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COURSE, THE CULMINATION.
>> OF THE BIG LIE.

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>> OF THE BIG LIE.
>> THE BIG.

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>> THE BIG.
>> LIE FUELED THIS VIOLENCE. AND

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>> LIE FUELED THIS VIOLENCE. AND
WHAT.

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WHAT.
>> WE.

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>> WE.
>> GOT.

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>> GOT.
>> FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP THIS

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>> FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP THIS
WEEK WITH THESE BLANKET PARDONS.

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WEEK WITH THESE BLANKET PARDONS.
>> SORT OF. CLOSES THE BOOK, IF

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>> SORT OF. CLOSES THE BOOK, IF
YOU.

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YOU.
>> WILL, ON A REPUBLICAN EFFORT

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>> WILL, ON A REPUBLICAN EFFORT
FOR.

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FOR.
>> FOUR YEARS.

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>> FOUR YEARS.
>> TO COMPLETELY WHITEWASH.

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>> TO COMPLETELY WHITEWASH.
>> AND DOWNPLAY WHAT.

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>> AND DOWNPLAY WHAT.
>> HAPPENED THAT DAY. WE’RE

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>> HAPPENED THAT DAY. WE’RE
GOING.

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GOING.
>> TO. KEEP SHOWING.

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>> TO. KEEP SHOWING.
>> THE VIDEO.

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>> THE VIDEO.
>> BUT REPUBLICANS HAVE.

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>> BUT REPUBLICANS HAVE.
>> BEEN TRYING TO TURN THE PAGE.

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>> BEEN TRYING TO TURN THE PAGE.
>> AS QUICKLY.

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>> AS QUICKLY.
>> AS POSSIBLE.

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>> AS POSSIBLE.
>> SINCE THEN, WITH VERY.

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>> SINCE THEN, WITH VERY.
>> FEW EXCEPTIONS.

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>> FEW EXCEPTIONS.
>> WE DID SEE, YOU KNOW, SOME.

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>> WE DID SEE, YOU KNOW, SOME.
>> MUTED CRITICISM FROM.

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>> MUTED CRITICISM FROM.
>> REPUBLICANS.

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>> REPUBLICANS.
>> SOME SHARPER LANGUAGE FROM

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>> SOME SHARPER LANGUAGE FROM
OTHERS.

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OTHERS.
>> SUSAN COLLINS.

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>> SUSAN COLLINS.
>> LISA MURKOWSKI, SENATOR.

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>> LISA MURKOWSKI, SENATOR.
>> CASSIDY.

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>> CASSIDY.
>> WE JUST SAW HEARD FROM

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>> WE JUST SAW HEARD FROM
SENATOR TILLIS. THERE WERE SOME.

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SENATOR TILLIS. THERE WERE SOME.
>> REPUBLICANS WHO MADE CLEAR.

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>> REPUBLICANS WHO MADE CLEAR.
>> THIS ISN’T WHAT THEY.

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>> THIS ISN’T WHAT THEY.
>> WOULD HAVE DONE. AT THE VERY

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>> WOULD HAVE DONE. AT THE VERY
LEAST, THEY WOULDN’T HAVE AGREED

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LEAST, THEY WOULDN’T HAVE AGREED
TO PARDONS FOR THOSE WHO

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TO PARDONS FOR THOSE WHO
COMMITTED VIOLENT.

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COMMITTED VIOLENT.
>> OFFENSES.

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>> OFFENSES.
>> OFFENSES AGAINST POLICE

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>> OFFENSES AGAINST POLICE
OFFICERS AND OTHERS, AS WE HEARD

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OFFICERS AND OTHERS, AS WE HEARD
FROM THE NEW MAJORITY LEADER,

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FROM THE NEW MAJORITY LEADER,
TRIED TO SORT OF PLAY. WHAT

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TRIED TO SORT OF PLAY. WHAT
ABOUTISM WITH THE PARDONS FROM

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ABOUTISM WITH THE PARDONS FROM
PRESIDENT BIDEN AND AS MIKA

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PRESIDENT BIDEN AND AS MIKA
SAID, THOSE FOR HIS FAMILY

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SAID, THOSE FOR HIS FAMILY
THAT’S THAT’S DESERVING OF A

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THAT’S THAT’S DESERVING OF A
SEPARATE CONVERSATION, THOSE FOR

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SEPARATE CONVERSATION, THOSE FOR
THE JANUARY 6TH SELECT COMMITTEE

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THE JANUARY 6TH SELECT COMMITTEE
AND THE POLICE OFFICERS

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AND THE POLICE OFFICERS
INVOLVED. THAT’S VERY DIFFERENT.

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INVOLVED. THAT’S VERY DIFFERENT.
AND WHAT WE DON’T KNOW NOW. IS

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AND WHAT WE DON’T KNOW NOW. IS
WHETHER THIS WILL FUEL ANY

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WHETHER THIS WILL FUEL ANY
FURTHER RESISTANCE FROM

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FURTHER RESISTANCE FROM
REPUBLICANS.

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REPUBLICANS.
>> AND, WILLIE, I MEAN.

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>> AND, WILLIE, I MEAN.
>> I THINK THE SAFE BET IS NO.

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>> I THINK THE SAFE BET IS NO.
YES. THIS IS HOW.

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YES. THIS IS HOW.
>> IT ALWAYS GOES.

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>> IT ALWAYS GOES.
>> YOU’LL HAVE. CERTAIN

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>> YOU’LL HAVE. CERTAIN
SENATORS, YOU.

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SENATORS, YOU.
>> KNOW, WHO BECAUSE. OF OFTEN

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>> KNOW, WHO BECAUSE. OF OFTEN
ELECTORAL.

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ELECTORAL.
>> CONCERNS AND YES.

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>> CONCERNS AND YES.
>> SOMETIMES OUT OF PRINCIPLE.

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>> SOMETIMES OUT OF PRINCIPLE.
>> WILL CRITICIZE DONALD TRUMP,

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>> WILL CRITICIZE DONALD TRUMP,
BUT THE VAST MAJORITY WILL

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BUT THE VAST MAJORITY WILL
EITHER SIMPLY FULL THROATED,

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EITHER SIMPLY FULL THROATED,
ENDORSE IT OR TURN A BLIND EYE

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ENDORSE IT OR TURN A BLIND EYE
TO IT.

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TO IT.
>> YEAH. AND WE.

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>> YEAH. AND WE.
>> HEARD.

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>> HEARD.
>> THEM, MANY.

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>> THEM, MANY.
>> OF THEM, INCLUDING THE

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>> OF THEM, INCLUDING THE
MAJORITY LEADER LATER YESTERDAY

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MAJORITY LEADER LATER YESTERDAY
TALKING ABOUT WE’RE GOING TO

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TALKING ABOUT WE’RE GOING TO
GET.

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GET.
>> THROUGH ALL OF DONALD TRUMP’S

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>> THROUGH ALL OF DONALD TRUMP’S
NOMINEES.

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NOMINEES.
>> THEY WILL ALL BE CONFIRMED.

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>> THEY WILL ALL BE CONFIRMED.
WE’LL STAY HERE ALL NIGHT. WE’LL

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WE’LL STAY HERE ALL NIGHT. WE’LL
STAY HERE ALL WEEKEND. SIGNALING